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Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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Post by grammarprofess »

cedilla wrote: post #34

This story reads a bit too outrageous. It's like a plot from a film like "God is Not Dead", with social justice warriors standing in for militant atheists. This should raise a few eyebrows with any critical reader. And indeed, the article simply completely sides with the student and takes every allegation as already proven – going so far as discrediting the university's defence of what happened as "gaslighting". For…

The audio is available on youtube. It's pretty much what is written here, the kid just brought up very high quality questions

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

#42

Post by curtisblaine »

grammarprofess wrote: post #41
cedilla wrote: post #34

This story reads a bit too outrageous. It's like a plot from a film like "God is Not Dead", with social justice warriors standing in for militant atheists. This should raise a few eyebrows with any critical reader. And indeed, the article simply completely sides with the student and takes every allegation as already proven – going so far as discrediting the university's defence of what happened as "gaslighting". For…

The audio is available on youtube. It's pretty much what is written here, the kid just brought up very high quality questions

I can't find it, could you please provide a link?

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

#44

Post by cedilla »

grammarprofess wrote: post #41
cedilla wrote: post #34

This story reads a bit too outrageous. It's like a plot from a film like "God is Not Dead", with social justice warriors standing in for militant atheists. This should raise a few eyebrows with any critical reader. And indeed, the article simply completely sides with the student and takes every allegation as already proven – going so far as discrediting the university's defence of what happened as "gaslighting". For…

The audio is available on youtube. It's pretty much what is written here, the kid just brought up very high quality questions

I know, I read the article.

What is not on YouTube is literally every other part of the story. For what we know (as described in the article), it's possible that the student was always calm and rational, or that he screamed abuse at the top of the lungs to university staff; or anything in between. We simply don't know (as described in the article), so it's quite manipulative to describe the university refuting the student's claims as "gaslighting".

Please note that I said that siding completely with the student is premature. I stand by that. If everything the student alleges is true, it is an outrageous story. However, it is very clear that this article was written as outrage porn. So we should wait and see what the court conclude actually happened. After all, it's not like this is a timely case, the incident happened over two years ago.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

#45

Post by dsnr »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #40
kenneth wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going to university in the USA these days sounds like an absolutely terrifying prospect, and doesn't sound very promising for the future of the country.

As long as you keep quiet about sensitive issues, you will be fine.

There shouldn’t be any “sensitive” issues in a university context. These “universities” look more like re-education centers than educational institutions.

All those “sensitive” issues are plain ideological ideas and some people want those ideas to prevail by suppressing all conversation around them.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

#46

Post by grammarprofess »

curtisblaine wrote: post #42
grammarprofess wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The audio is available on youtube. It's pretty much what is written here, the kid just brought up very high quality questions

I can't find it, could you please provide a link?

https://m.soundcloud.com/user-381804527/asac

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

#47

Post by cedilla »

kenneth wrote: post #18

Since apparently reason.com gets flagged — I submitted the original lawsuit text which cannot possibly be a biased source. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26737077

The reason why I personally flagged this story is not because it is outrage porn – I think it obviously is, but that's not why I flagged it.

I flagged it because it misrepresented the very source you now linked. Quote:

> For the purposes of ruling on Defendants' motion to dismiss, the Court accepts as true the following allegations set forth in the amended complaint and attached exhibits.

This court decision did not side with the plaintiff, nor has the court spend a second thinking about whether his allegations are or could be true. A motion to dismiss simply says "Hey, even if we take everything at face value here, this case can't win".

The article misrepresents this as the court siding with the plaintiff. That did not happen. I can't know if that's an honest misunderstanding or deception; but in any case it shows that the author did not understand the court decision, as he evidently didn't take into account the premise I quoted above.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

#48

Post by incredulously »

cedilla wrote: post #44
grammarprofess wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The audio is available on youtube. It's pretty much what is written here, the kid just brought up very high quality questions

I know, I read the article. What is not on YouTube is literally every other part of the story. For what we know (as described in the article), it's possible that the student was always calm and rational, or that he screamed abuse at the top of the lungs to university staff; or anything in between. We simply don't know (as described in the article), so it's quite manipulative to describe the university refuting the st…

> it's possible that ... he screamed abuse at the top of the lungs to university staff

Oh boy, another thrilling game of disprove the negative.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

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Post by cedilla »

incredulously wrote: post #48
cedilla wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know, I read the article. What is not on YouTube is literally every other part of the story. For what we know (as described in the article), it's possible that the student was always calm and rational, or that he screamed abuse at the top of the lungs to university staff; or anything in between. We simply don't know (as described in the article), so it's quite manipulative to describe the university refuting the st…

> it's possible that ... he screamed abuse at the top of the lungs to university staff Oh boy, another thrilling game of disprove the negative.

Please don't quote less than half a sentence and then be surprised that it doesn't make sense.

Also, that we can't now either way is exactly my point. We can't disprove either the student's nor the university's misconduct. Maybe ask yourself why you instantly see that when it comes to the student, but fail to see the exact same thing in regards to the defendants.

Well, the good thing is that the court will actually decide the facts and merits. With evidence and deliberation and reason and all those good things.

Re: Medical Student banished from UVA campus for questioning Microaggressions

#50

Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

dsnr wrote: post #45
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as you keep quiet about sensitive issues, you will be fine.

There shouldn’t be any “sensitive” issues in a university context. These “universities” look more like re-education centers than educational institutions. All those “sensitive” issues are plain ideological ideas and some people want those ideas to prevail by suppressing all conversation around them.

I think the discussion about this already over, i.e. it's now a part of the social contract that we don't question certain things, not because they're true or false but because of social cost of challenging them. For example, we know that the distribution of certain psychological traits in both genders is a bit different, but discussing it - either in the social context or the academia - is more or less a taboo in order to protect the vulnerable, and in part also because of the expectations of desirable traits in today society [0]. For the same reason, nobody in the right mind would organize a study of IQ differences between races, and if someone was stupid enough, their professional life in the academia (and probably beyond) would be finished.

In general, in the West any study of relationships between the aspect of the body (any inherent traits) and the mind/psyche is forbidden. A few years ago the Chinese published their famous study of facial traits of convinced criminals. [1] The result was that there were more variations from the mean among the convicts than the rest of the population. Of course everybody criticized the study as unethical and minority-reportesque.

The only danger I see is that by effectively renouncing to analyze any links between the body and mind we might lose some important insights, and the vulnerable groups could also greatly benefit from discovering these. But the danger that the result of this kind of research will be used against us is not negligible, as the history shows.

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/08/the-science-behind-why-so-ma...

[1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/1611.04135v2.pd

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