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Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

#22

I read all of your site and checked out Observable as well. In spite of that I still can't succinctly answer the following: Who is the target market? What urgent, important problem does it solve? You claim "Jig makes writing business apps faster than ever before." But I can't find any compelling evidence to backup that claim. Sales and marketing are harder than it appears. If you haven't done it before then your best…

Thanks so much for taking the time. I will try and refine the message and target.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

#23
post #13

Start by saying what it does and posting a link (or at least adding a link into your profile)? Pro tip: add a call to action to your description. I'm not kidding. For you it's an exercise to describe it. For us it's 1) a way to see it (which is what you want), and 2) even if we're not interested, we could give more precise suggestions.

Ok sounds like an easy first step. Thanks for the tip.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

#24

I had a quick look at your app's web page. Seems like a quality tool that could indeed be useful for people. My approach would be to do some traditional web-based paid promotion marketing along the lines of Google Ads and via Twitter. Hook into key words that you think your audience would connect with your product. Let it run for a bit and monitor any engagement that you get. Only other thing I would suggest is have…

Thank you very much for taking the time and for the encouraging words. Paid ad campaign is something I am a bit afraid of, having done none of it... maybe i should give it a shot. i tried to get in various incubator programs in the past without success.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

#25
post #21

I can see that. You could have included a link to your product in this post and yet you missed.btw, i just checked out the product and i love it.

ha ;-) Thanks! HN generally doesn't like that people use Ask HN for promotion, yet this is just what I did and got to you. So it's not that bad :-)

Drop me a line at edb at jigdev.com if you think of features that would make it better.

And if you like it, please tell others! That'd be a big help.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

#26
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a “Rapid application development” tool, targeting developers who create internal apps.

I think you could investigate offering a free open source version to the wider develop community to help them experiment and use the tool before committing to purchase it. Then later on, plan on adding paid add-on features and professional support, etc.

Yes, the basic version is and will remain free. Will add paid features in the future.

Pricing will be somewhat similar to LinqPad.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a “Rapid application development” tool, targeting developers who create internal apps.

Have you asked other developers if they want to use such a tool? (most developers don't want to use a custom, web-based IDE, also fear vendor lockin) RAD or low-code should be targeted towards non-developers in the org. This market is heavily saturated with most solutions falling short of expectations and being limited in what can be achieved.

This is the crux of the problem. In the organizations I have worked at, there were job positions for "business apps developers". Those people would make quick and dirty apps using whatever they can find (Excel, VBA, Windows Forms, etc.). They would have very little programming experience but would manage to bootstrap enough knowledge to get shit done. My view is that these people want web-based apps, but they struggle with html/css/test/deploy. Problem is these people are usually fine with what they already have.

In other organizations, such roles don't exist because it's too expensive to make business apps, and they don't want shitty solutions. It's a little hard to find how to put the foot in the door.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

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> Now I posted it here and there and sent it to a few people I know, but it doesnt seem good enough.

Finding users to use your product is by far the hardest part in my experience. Just expecting them to come doesn't really work anymore. It did back in the early 2000s. I remember how back then even the average projects I was working on required almost no marketing to attract a significant number of visitors and rank well in Google, but since ~2010 I found this no longer to be the case.

Personally I've found marketing efforts to be largely luck. Sometimes you'll write a couple of blogs that take off, or perhaps you'll share a link to HN, Reddit, Twitter and people will upvote / retweet it. But in general the more you can write and post the better chance you have of something working.

SEO is more predictable, but it's very hard these days as there is always so much competition with established products. Personally I don't even focus on SEO as a way to attract visitors anymore. Although perhaps if you are confident you had a strong niche which you could target in search it might be worth it.

I would strongly recommend against adding more features at this stage. In my experience this never works and is always a waste of time. If you have people coming to your site, using your product and then commenting that they wish it did 'x', then you might want to consider adding new features. I've wasted years of my life adding features to products that literally no one used and now I regret how much of my early twenties I spend working on products no one cared about instead of spending time with friends and family.

Finding a really good co-founder would probably be the way to go. You want someone with a lot of connections who can push your product into businesses and get it shared online by influential people. They're hard to find, but they can be found at local meet ups and you may also know a few people like this from your past / present employment. But this is where I would focus (ideally before you've built something).

Other than that paid ads could be an option, although it would be good to know if you can convert organic users first. If you have the budget in my experience paid ads are the best way to get users in front of your product, but for it to be worthwhile you need to be sure you're converting enough visitors at the right price point.

Not to be too negative, but personally I've given up on bootstrapping startups. I've found out the hard way that if don't have a great co-founder or if I'm not able to put serious cash behind a product it's almost certainly going to fail. It was different twenty years ago, but competition is so high today it's extremely hard to break through all the noise.

There's an interesting post on Indie Hackers which highlights just how hard what you're trying to do is: https://www.indiehackers.com/post/holy-heck-this-is-hard-8eb...

I think a lot of people massively underestimate how hard it is to build a successful software product today if they don't have funding or an amazing team backing it -- although ideally you should have both. So give it your best shot, but also know when to quit. Your time is valuable and what you're trying to do is extremely hard and success is largely a product of luck. If it doesn't work out you can always keep it on the backburner for when you do find a great co-founder or an investor for your project then you can give it another shot.

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

#29
Did you try to find for online spaces (reddit, fb groups or other) where you can get an audience that might have the problem you are trying to solve.

Your problem might be a niche problem, but unless the niche is extremely small, there must be places online where you can get a relevant audience and throw the idea at them to start collecting some feedback.

It is also possible that the problem you see is not perceived by other people, so always take a critical stance towards your own idea. Try to evaluate based on facts and not your own passion.

My 2 cents

Re: Ask HN: I built it, nobody came, now what?

#30
post #28

> Now I posted it here and there and sent it to a few people I know, but it doesnt seem good enough. Finding users to use your product is by far the hardest part in my experience. Just expecting them to come doesn't really work anymore. It did back in the early 2000s. I remember how back then even the average projects I was working on required almost no marketing to attract a significant number of visitors and rank w…

Thanks for the great insights, and for not downplaying it.

I definitely see how having access to influencers and/or money could make the process infinitely easier.

I didn't realize it until I read a piece saying a16z was a media company first.

I guess I'll push my luck a little bit with bare sales/marketing tricks.

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