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Signal Is a Government Op

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Re: Signal Is a Government Op

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I’ve tried Signal multiple times but after Telegram it’s like moving from Facebook to MySpace from 2004. No, thank you. I’m kinda surprised people are not annoyed by Signal or WhatsApp and keep using them, to me they’re simply unbearable.

I’ve never used Telegram. What am I missing? WhatsApp is simple and works really well for what I’m using it for, keeping in touch with friends and family.

It's a great tool to keep in touch with family. For secure and private communication? Not so much unless you believe Facebook is a pillar of privacy and truth and you follow the "I have nothing to hide" fallacy.

Re: Signal Is a Government Op

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> As you can see from the way Parler was shutdown last week — when our imperial oligarchy wants to cancel an app, it can do so instantly and with a vengeance. I was not under the impression that Parler was shut down by the government, but more by the "cancel crowd". Was it a government operation ? As for the article, it seems the main arguments are that : - Signal was financed by Radio Free Asia (US government propag…

Most of these points are also true for other cryptography related projects (e.g. Tor), simply because the majority of all non-profits, regardless of agenda, is funded by the government.

Re: Signal Is a Government Op

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I honestly enjoy how Yasha equates the fact that a project received money from some tentacle of the american government (which at least for me, as an european, is perfectly understandable in a situation of prolonged cold war with Russia and China) to the more spooky hypothesis that the guys behind some of the most vetted open source privacy projects do work for the man.

His well known position (many years of pando) makes me think "yeah, right, just what we need: another conspiracy that convinces people that there's no alternative and therefore any effort to step away from silos does no good to them". Sigh.

The layperson only slightly interested in privacy does not want (or need) mathematical proofs: they operate by trust. Chains of trust in people, friends, activists, journalists or self-proclaimed "experts" that recommend tools or dissuade them from sharing too many data in the places where everybody of a certain age has to be to socialize. So this kind of gray insinuations, with big logical jumps and with zero consistent evidence (other than the US has an interest in promoting encryption and is pouring money on that horse too, probably orders of magnitude less than it pours in big monopolistic, closed source and privacy-mining tech companies) does more damage than good to the public it pretends to inform.

But hey, I guess that's the pitch from which he manages to make a living, and it must have his public, which I might not totally be getting.

Has anyone read his book by the way? Does he develop his "most of open source crypto project work for the CIA" in some interesting or novel way? Something that gets my attention is how he sells himself as unveiling the "secret" military history of the internet, when all that I read from him is public knowledge. I guess the wistleblower myth is quite attractive, even for him.

Re: Signal Is a Government Op

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I’ve tried Signal multiple times but after Telegram it’s like moving from Facebook to MySpace from 2004. No, thank you. I’m kinda surprised people are not annoyed by Signal or WhatsApp and keep using them, to me they’re simply unbearable.

Same. Even if telegram has their own issues and prolly not the best encryption. Its an amazing chat client that is not centered in the US or five eyes.

Instead it is controlled by Russians and has a history of dodgy security/crypto. Yeah, that is _much_ better.

Re: Signal Is a Government Op

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Quite convincing... How Signal is perceived from cryptoexperts?

Too positive. From a cryptographical perspective the protocol is solid. The problem is that if you are actually using signal to transmit sensitive (as in worth a lot of money,peoples lives, state secrets) information you are making a huge mistake. Sure no one is going to break your communication on the network. But what they are going to do is use a zero day, get into your phone and extract the signal message db and…

That is a risk with everything, it is turtles all the way down. There are not 'better solutions' available for the general public out there and anyone who claims otherwise is selling snake oil. What Signal (and similar efforts like Riot/Matrix/etc) offer is the ability to drastically raise the cost of targeting an individual and eliminate almost all risks from bulk dragnet operations. If you, specifically you, are they target of a major government then they are going to get you and there is nothing you can do about it other that to stop using electronic communication, but if you are not already a target then Signal provides a level of security and privacy that had previously been unavailable or difficult to use.

Re: Signal Is a Government Op

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too positive. From a cryptographical perspective the protocol is solid. The problem is that if you are actually using signal to transmit sensitive (as in worth a lot of money,peoples lives, state secrets) information you are making a huge mistake. Sure no one is going to break your communication on the network. But what they are going to do is use a zero day, get into your phone and extract the signal message db and…

That is a risk with everything, it is turtles all the way down. There are not 'better solutions' available for the general public out there and anyone who claims otherwise is selling snake oil. What Signal (and similar efforts like Riot/Matrix/etc) offer is the ability to drastically raise the cost of targeting an individual and eliminate almost all risks from bulk dragnet operations. If you, specifically you, are th…

Signal and to a much greater degree WhatsApp is used all over the place where it has no business being. A large number of politicians use these apps for communication all over the world for information that is actually classified.

The reason it is in all these places because it is free, easy to use and supposedly secure. That the information contained can be exfiltrated would be news to them. All they know is that security proffessionals recommend Signal so that is what they use.

Just use Signal has been a mantra in tech circles for a long time. This obvious fact I am bringing up is always obvious yet no one mentions it.

Re: Signal Is a Government Op

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a risk with everything, it is turtles all the way down. There are not 'better solutions' available for the general public out there and anyone who claims otherwise is selling snake oil. What Signal (and similar efforts like Riot/Matrix/etc) offer is the ability to drastically raise the cost of targeting an individual and eliminate almost all risks from bulk dragnet operations. If you, specifically you, are th…

Signal and to a much greater degree WhatsApp is used all over the place where it has no business being. A large number of politicians use these apps for communication all over the world for information that is actually classified. The reason it is in all these places because it is free, easy to use and supposedly secure. That the information contained can be exfiltrated would be news to them. All they know is that se…

No one mentions it because this 'fact' is both self-evident and is in no way specific to Signal or any other piece of software. If I can own the platform then there is NOTHING you can do to stop me from owning all of the information you put into that platform. It has nothing to do with any specific tool you use on the platform and any attempt to tie this fact to a specific tool or program is an indicator of an attempt to muddy the waters (most likely so you can try to sell some 'solution' that does not actually solve the problem.) In almost all cases these so-called solutions end up being so inconvenient and painful to use that people actively route around them using mechanisms that are even less secure than the original tool that is being 'fixed' -- there is a reason no one uses Qubes and why everyone tries to avoid a SCIF if possible...

Re: Signal Is a Government Op

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Were this to have any semblance of truth, that would - interestingly - mean the government is "endorsing" crypto now, with the whole Mobile Coin situation ...

Now, -that- would make it an interesting "experiment" ...

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