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Skype Fires Executives, Avoiding Payouts

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Re: Skype Fires Executives, Avoiding Payouts

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Stay classy Skype. I wish there was an alternative that matched Skype's previous good qualities (or better). The obfuscation of the OS X Skype client UI, plus the fact that they're now owned by Microsoft has cast a shadow on what used to be a great service (to me at least). Surely there is room in the market for a serious competitor.

OPEN STANDARDS are the alternative.

XMPP and its sister protocol Jingle are all described in detail in either RFC or XEP documentation.

Re: Skype Fires Executives, Avoiding Payouts

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I'm wondering if this could be some mad-men-esque deal where the people fired really want to do their own thing? Get fired on purpose so that they're free to do their own company in the same space.

Probably not but that's something that came to mind for me.

Re: Skype Fires Executives, Avoiding Payouts

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"Microsoft announced the Skype acquisition on May 10 and plans to connect it to Outlook e-mail, Xbox game console, Windows mobile phones and corporate-phone software."

This is phase #1 of Microsoft's usual "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy. Right now they embrace Skype and build it into some of their products.

The next step will be to enhance the Skype protocol with extra Outlook and Windows Phone options; these protocols will be proprietary, patented and certainly not published.

The final step will be to discontinue the Skype clients for OSX and Linux ('because their increasingly incompatibility with rich features the Windows platform offers Skype users'), update the protocol even further so that current Skype clients will stop functioning, and gradually remove the 'Skype' name and logo from their products, and eventually, from history.

The idea is to disadvantage any competitors, and to make Skype users switch to Windows or a Windows phone.

Re: Skype Fires Executives, Avoiding Payouts

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Do any of these strike your fancy? * http://www.oovoo.com/home.aspx * http://tinychat.com/ * http://www.vbuzzer.com/conferencing/web_conferencing.php * http://www.goober.com/ * http://www.voxox.com/

For webcaming, I've personally found ooVoo to have better quality than Skype.

I tried ooVoo recently as my significant other had problems getting Skype working. I must say I can't see it as a competitor to Skype. The UI is borderline unusable due to all the flashing ads. What's worse is my contact list of one got deleted, and it was impossible to re-add my GF. That was on day 2. A few days later, she was back on my contact list. I don't trust it, and it's a pain to use due to all the ads and the general UI.

Re: Skype Fires Executives, Avoiding Payouts

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post #41
post #5

Stay classy Skype. I wish there was an alternative that matched Skype's previous good qualities (or better). The obfuscation of the OS X Skype client UI, plus the fact that they're now owned by Microsoft has cast a shadow on what used to be a great service (to me at least). Surely there is room in the market for a serious competitor.

OPEN STANDARDS are the alternative. XMPP and its sister protocol Jingle are all described in detail in either RFC or XEP documentation.

Are there any implementations of it that actually work well through NAT and which have a UI that non-technical people can use? We use Skype a lot - iChat would be fine, too, but seems to require port forwarding on both ends, which isn't going to happen anytime soon. Facetime forces you to use video, which isn't always what you want.

Re: Skype Fires Executives, Avoiding Payouts

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post #43

"Microsoft announced the Skype acquisition on May 10 and plans to connect it to Outlook e-mail, Xbox game console, Windows mobile phones and corporate-phone software." This is phase #1 of Microsoft's usual "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy. Right now they embrace Skype and build it into some of their products. The next step will be to enhance the Skype protocol with extra Outlook and Windows Phone options; these…

FUD, FUD, FUD and that's easy to prove: Hotmail on the Mac works just fine.

Re: Skype Fires Executives, Avoiding Payouts

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post #41

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OPEN STANDARDS are the alternative. XMPP and its sister protocol Jingle are all described in detail in either RFC or XEP documentation.

Are there any implementations of it that actually work well through NAT and which have a UI that non-technical people can use? We use Skype a lot - iChat would be fine, too, but seems to require port forwarding on both ends, which isn't going to happen anytime soon. Facetime forces you to use video, which isn't always what you want.

Gmail's voice and video chat works fine and has a pretty simple UI. I'm not sure it follows those specs completely but there are open-source clients that can connect to it. The Google client itself has pretty good Windows/OSX/Linux support as a browser plugin and with the Google Voice integration in Gmail you get a pretty full-featured UI to call both people that are on Google Talk and normal phones. Unfortunately the Google Voice stuff is still US only.

Re: Skype Fires Executives, Avoiding Payouts

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The later the stage investor, the less they need to worry about their reputation with anyone except their LPs.

Yeah but christ, is anyone going to want to take money from them after this? This is cut-throat by any standard...

PE firms like this focus more on leveraged buyout than growth capital - the people taking their money are generally looking for an exit.

Re: Skype Fires Executives, Avoiding Payouts

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post #41

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OPEN STANDARDS are the alternative. XMPP and its sister protocol Jingle are all described in detail in either RFC or XEP documentation.

Are there any implementations of it that actually work well through NAT and which have a UI that non-technical people can use? We use Skype a lot - iChat would be fine, too, but seems to require port forwarding on both ends, which isn't going to happen anytime soon. Facetime forces you to use video, which isn't always what you want.

Google has just added WebRTC to the Chrome source tree. WebRTC (real-time communication) consists of Jingle, VP8, some voice codecs and other audio software they bought, and various NAT traversal algorithms. The IETF is standardising it and Mozilla and Opera are committed to shipping it. Somewhat interestingly, a bunch of Skype engineers seem to have been involved in it too.

http://sites.google.com/site/webrtc/blog/firststeptowardchro...

http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb/charters

I don't know how usable it is right now, though Google is apparently rewriting their Google Talk stuff to use it. But it seems like the future.

Re: Skype Fires Executives, Avoiding Payouts

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Reduction of equity stake after negotiated compensation just reeks of pure theft. So what are good employees supposed to do? Doubtless the ones who did not get diluted were the big money while the workers get shafted (as usual). Kleptocracy at it's finest.

> So what are good employees supposed to do? Leave, if there's any justice in the world. This is how the market works. The reason you don't screw your employees like this is not just because you're a nice person, but because it costs you money in the long term.

Funny how people thing this system could ever work.

Companies are the original trolls, making up new accounts and coming back without any negative karma or legal responsibilities. As long as corporations are separate from the people running them it's a joke.

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