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YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

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Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

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I would agree with the assessment, but isn't your typical kids TV channel just as vapid? Are US lawmakers worried about the ads and commercialism we bombard our children with on conventional television?

It's less prominent now that the internet is a thing, but they do still speak about that topic occasionally, and it wasn't so long ago that it was a top political issue: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/30/us/tv-broadcasters-agree-...

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Content farming at its best. Cheap assets and autogenerated computer voice, someone is churning a dozen of these every day with different subjects. Then they're posted to dozens of YT channels in different languages with highly algorithm-optimised names and descriptions. Boom, money.

Who is paying money to target kids that young?

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Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

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Bigger problem is the parents who let their children watch youtube or whatever way too much.

I'm curious of the long term effects. Like you, I also think it's a disgrace. I had a friend who to me basically seemed like they didn't like dealing with kids, so just gave her daughter a tablet she was glued to at all times. I mean, young, I don't remember the age now but less than 2? She never made eye contact or any noise, just messing with the tablet. I can't help but think there's going to be a whole generation…

I think we might already be at a few... Though in vastly different ways. I don't think social media has been healthy, but just pure consumers that might be coming up could be worse...

Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

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post #96

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Who is paying money to target kids that young?

Advertising to kids has traditionally been profitable since the invention of cartoons. But, this is pretty much entirely poorly-managed advertising money being sucked up by content farmers. YouTube makes huge profits directing completely useless ads to tens of millions of rapt toddlers watching reptile-brain videos for hours a day.

Unboxing videos are the big paydays for advertisers.

Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

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The problem is, as soon as good content ends you are presented with videos chosen by algorithm. In absolutely no time kids will optimize for this via the suggestion bar. The other content is from the bizarre dystopia of content farmed videos and weird stuff like opening a toybox full of the same kind of toy. Its incredibly frustrating to filter, channels are whackamole. Also, youtube bypasses dns blocking, making it…

> Also, youtube bypasses dns blocking Care to elaborate more on what you mean by this ?

/etc/hosts is useless since Chrome uses dns over https

Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

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They probably sleep pretty well with the nice new comfy bed and pillows they are able to afford off of the channel.

I mean, 1.2M views for the whole channel is... almost nothing, in terms of $? Surely not enough to affore new comfy bed and pillows?

1.2M views is worth thousands of dollars to the right demographic.

Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

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Kids should only be able to view content vetted by a human. Full stop. Too bad it's never going to happen.

There are those who would say that that human should be a parental unit.

Those who are a parent would say that those who do have no idea.

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post #7

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The problem is, as soon as good content ends you are presented with videos chosen by algorithm. In absolutely no time kids will optimize for this via the suggestion bar. The other content is from the bizarre dystopia of content farmed videos and weird stuff like opening a toybox full of the same kind of toy. Its incredibly frustrating to filter, channels are whackamole. Also, youtube bypasses dns blocking, making it…

> Also, youtube bypasses dns blocking Care to elaborate more on what you mean by this ?

You have to block all of google to block youtube basically and even then it may still get through.

Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

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post #43

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Sure, blame the parents, and not the society that leaves us all exhausted from working too much and the dopamine-optimized algorithmic engagement furnace that is YouTube. Yeah just keep blaming parents. That'll make everything better.

Being a parent is about sacrifice, lots and lots of it. That includes working yourself beyond exhaustion to provide for, feed, play with, give attention to, and talk with your kids. It isn't easy, but it's the moral responsibility of everyone who becomes a parent. I realize a huge percentage of parents fail at this (some more than others), and the amount of work that must be done to make a living and the ease with wh…

Sure, being a parent is a massive moral responsibility. But the facts are that many kids have shitty parents through no fault of their own. I see kids who's parents let them go on Youtube/Tiktok for hours with no supervision. The fact is that if we don't do something as a society for these kids now, we'll be paying their therapy bills through our insurance in a couple of decades. So probably more efficient to do something now.

Re: YouTube Kids a “vapid wasteland” say US lawmakers

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post #21

Can confirm. There is a strain of video (below) on there that is just like perceptual candy to kids. And there are LOADS of these videos in slightly different versions. My own anecdote: Our 2 year old found these videos (3 years ago): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7IsNFDtG4U&list=PLHZrFxrJbt... At first we were like "seems fine, colors and shapes...keeps him engaged". After a month or two he could just stare slack…

The people at Google/Youtube really make it hard for quality content to succeed most of the time and their beloved algorithms mostly just boil down to "If a person clicks X, bombard them with as much things as close to X as possible from now on". (Also their obsession with "engagement" which translates to outrage, but I hope this is less relevant in Youtube Kids...) The danger for kids also stems from this in my opin…

I watched the decline in phases between my oldest nephew’s birth in 2007, my sons in 2011 and my nieces more recently.

YouTube is measurably worse, especially for children’s content. There was amazing music and educational stuff in there, and it’s still there. But those creators are gone in the sense that there isn’t a lot of new content as the garbage you describe took over.

It’s reflective of the poor leadership of that part of the company. Based on conversations with fellow parents, YouTube is a no-go zone for them. The idiot who got a big bonus for “engagement” targeting kids will be long gone when the brand toxicity kills the growth.

Look at Netflix as a comparison of a company with similar product, but who has self-respect. Netflix has a ruthless focus on engagement, but you don’t see the type of vacuous content. Netflix never auto played by 3 year old to a creepy clown hiding in a kids video. If anything, they elevated television in many ways.

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