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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

kstrauser wrote: post #355
nitrogen wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But what someone does outside of work and not involving coworkers is, by definition, not a part of the workplace environment. Treating everything about a person as within scope for personal concern is one of the things that really strongly turns people against each other. It shouldn't matter what someone believes or does on their own time, whether it's a right-leaning company with a gay employee, or a left-leaning co…

That's not reasonable, and I don't think anyone truly believes that. For instance, if a black guy's boss talks about attending a Ku Klux Klan meeting, you can't honestly argue that said boss leaves that all at home when they meet at work in the morning. Wherever you are on the political spectrum, I'm sure you can imagine someone engaging in some form out outside-work activities that would make you feel personally uns…

This is exactly it - Thank you.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by DavidVoid »

They already have banned people for this kind of stuff -- as they should.

The groomer and sexual abuser Ryan Haywood was permanently banned from the site when he tried to start a career on Twitch after he got fired from Rooster Teeth. That ban was certainly earned considering how much of terrible human being he is and how supplying him with an audience would likely lead to more abuse in the future.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by tenaciousDaniel »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

While that’s true, you’re speaking to an earlier time in the internet.

Today, the internet has evolved into a two layered system, where a centralized “social” layer (for lack of a better term) sits on top of the underlying decentralized layer.

Today, anything of consequence happens on the top layer. You can still run a forum on your own, just like you did in the 90’s. Barely anyone will join.

Yes, Twitch is a private company and can do what it wants. Of course they can. But it only takes a few platforms to completely erase a person from any significant social digital interaction. It’s not a good thing.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Rebelgecko »

neaden wrote: post #87
Areibman wrote: post #66

It's strange to see a company that once prided itself on active engagement with its users to find product-market fit antagonize its content creators so much. And as a user, it gives me the perception that the platform is just plainly unfair. (Plus the platform is unusable without Adblock). Top streamers have been banned or lost partnerships for playing their own music[0], stating controversial political opinions[1][2…

First link: DMCA problems, this is super common but Twitch is reacting to a very poorly written law. Second link: Someone got in trouble for saying "America Deserved 9/11" which is a bit beyond a controversial political opinion. Third link: Person advocated that people start shooting protestors, a literal call for violence once again beyond a controversial political opinion. Fourth Link: Played a game (not a movie) t…

I think part of the problem is how inconsistent twitch is. eg some people have been banned for accidentally showing nudity in movies/games/websites. Whereas other people who stripped naked on twitch to advertise their OnlyFans account just get 72 hour suspensions

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Thorentis »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

Oh look, another "but it's a private company" defence of this behaviour.

Imagine a town with a single supermarket. The closest next town is a 10 hour drive away. A certain individual commits a crime, and is punished for it by the local authorities. The supermarket then decides that they are going to ban this individual from their store because of "severe misconduct" in the community. Is this fair?

Obviously, Twitch is not the "only" platform online for streaming, but in the past few years we've seen rapid siloing of content and serviced around a few platforms. Defending the actions of these platforms simply further entrenches their roles as the de facto platform for their particular service, making competition even harder.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by yifanl »

babesh wrote: post #402
newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

Why stop at websites? Why shouldn't airlines, hotels, banks, apartments, stores, and private universities ban whoever they like? How about creating a rule banning people who dye their hair blue?

I have to ask, what is the point you are trying to argue? That it shouldn't ever be possible to enforce rules on internet communities?

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by chabad360 »

tw04 wrote: post #240
chrisco255 wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And antitrust laws are designed precisely to prevent corporations from monopolizing and abusing market position. Freedom of speech means I have the right to hear from people I choose to assemble with. Monopolies dominating the market for speech and then dictating the terms of speech is an antitrust situation. Not least of which because by the same mechanisms they can use to silence political opponents they can use to…

That's apples and bananas. A more apt comparison would be: does your local newspaper HAVE to print anything you want on the front page? No? Then why should a social media site be forced to? Facebook doesn't control whether you pick up the phone and call your friend to voice your opinion. Twitter can't prevent you from driving to your local bar and telling your drinking buddies what you think of the president. Then ag…

> That's apples and bananas. A more apt comparison would be: does your local newspaper HAVE to print anything you want on the front page? No? Then why should a social media site be forced to?

Yes, but there is the other side of that coin: a newspaper (as in the company) can get sued for libel or other such things, precisely because they have editorial control.

It's seems that social media companies would like to have their cake and eat it too. They are explicitly protected from their users content (thanks to section 230), and yet they seem to flex this immunity by arbitrarily blocking users, often without recourse. IIRC they have even occasionally flipped between being publisher or a platform depending on the question.

To be fair, there is no winning for large social media companies, either they preform this filtering and everyone hates on them, or they don't and everyone hates on them. I do not believe there is a perfect way to block only people who everyone agrees should be blocked, as every method has both false positives and false negatives.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Rompect »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

> redirect to goatse upon login

Okay, that is actually a great idea

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by nostromo »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

This isn’t comparable. You weren’t one of five or so corporations that control the majority of communication on the entire web.

Oligopoly changes the equation and requires more oversight, just as your backyard garden might not require regulation like an industrial food producer would.

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