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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by bilbo0s »

_jal wrote: post #414
CBLT wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add a little extra context to what other people are giving you: large, million-dollar digital tournaments stream on Twitch because they have no other choice if they want to reach viewers. ESL signed a deal with Facebook streaming that destroyed their viewership numbers because people go to Twitch to watch, not the website for the tournament. Organizers have clearly seen this and will not move their stream to anoth…

> a Twitch ban is effectively a ban on all opportunities that involve money in the esports scene. I suggest you ask Colin Kaepernick about how it is in the non-'E' sports world. (Edit: misspelled name)

This is what I don't understand?

People are complaining about something that has been happening since literally forever. Long before Gopher and Mosaic were even released. Why is it "bad" now? The answer is that it is not bad, it's just that it now affects them.

Here's the thing though, waiting until it affects you, is a very poor strategy for changing what you consider to be a "wrong". This has all been litigated at this point. Now your only recourse is a wholesale change of the laws, which is not going to happen.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by dmitrygr »

Yup, the usual debate of innocent-till-probven-guilty vs private-companies-wcan-do-what-they-want.

I propose a simple solution: iff company owns > X% of the market (for some TBD value of X, maybe 80%), then it must follow the same laws as federal gvmnt (respect freedom of speech, proper due process, etc). Reasoning: if they own that much of the market, they may be unavoidable (like gvmnt) and thus must follow the same restrictions to make them palatable to the public.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #198
adzzzz wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was no "red scare". Joe McCarthy was simply holding Communists accountable for their beliefs.

This is such an apt retort that I'm sure people are downvoting you out of pure cognitive dissonance.

He's being down-voted because it's whataboutism. It's no different than the 50 Cent Army that suddenly cares about Native Americans when the topic of the Uyghurs comes up. Yes, the red scare was bad, yes the US's treatment of indigenous people was bad. Everyone agrees about this. There's no school district in the US that uses a history textbook that says the Sioux deserved it and McCarthy had the right idea. The fact that similiar bad things happened in the past does not excuse them in the present. If anything it makes it more reprehensible that they happen today despite the example of what to do.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by rodgerd »

Alupis wrote: post #259
Jonnax wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I find it hilarious that American conservatives who have for decades been advocates of silencing people for things like being against wars, sex/violence in music/film/video games, and homosexuality, are now campaigning on being victims of the "cancel culture" they themselves have advocated for.

I wonder if you're confusing public debate and a vocal minority with actual bans of things? I'm not aware of any actually banned video games in the US, for instance. We should talk about those things in public - and not everyone will agree. That's how it's supposed to be. It's brand new, however, to wield the power to literally cut off your political enemies from more than half of the population with a single click o…

Feel free to ask the Dixie Chicks about how no conservative has ever participated in cancel culture.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by hallway_monitor »

otterley wrote: post #329
redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

The reason we have a high standard for criminal convictions is that your liberty or life can be taken away by the state, and the cost of a mistake is therefore high. Here we are talking about... the inability to show yourself playing video games to others.

I laughed a little when I saw the phrase "esports career". How decadent a society we have when people can make a living from other people watching them play games. No sillier than professional sports but still both are ridiculous IMO

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by tesmar2 »

omgwtfbbq wrote: post #359

>How different is that from at-will employment though? You can be fired at any time and for more or less any non-federally-protected reason (and can quit any time too). That seems pretty uncontroversial in the US at least. Most Europeans would be horrified by this concept so I'm not sure it supports your argument.

I’m not sure why Americans care? Europe makes a different, worse tradeoff.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by tonfreed »

I don't have an issue with this in theory, but the problem with this kind of policy is that they never actually release a full set of rules to follow.

I see a ton of breadtubers advocating for pedophilia and bestiality on Twitch itself sites, can guarantee those won't run afoul of the hidden rules. However, calling someone a simp is a bannable offense on Twitch now.

Any company implementing this kind of rule now ultimately does it at the behest of a very loud and cuntish section of the internet that'll brigade any and all wrongthink. This will probably be the beginning of the end of Twitch, because the demands on good behavior are going to be completely unfollowable.

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Post by Bud »

falcolas wrote: post #319
Bud wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about we also defend the rights of people and companies to react in the way they see fit, to such actions, as well. As an aside, our police, to put it rather mildly, have historically sucked, in regard to such issues. And they suck right now, too. Badly. For hints on this, tune in to the Derek Chauvin trial, now in progress. Our "justice system" doesn't have a great record, either.

History tells us quite clearly that extra-legal justice systems as a response to even some of the worst justice systems creates more problems, not fewer. So no we shouldn't, to use your phrasing, react as we see fit. That's how humanity has historically justified lynching.

Except this isn't a justice system, and doesn't have consequences remotely similar to a justice system.

I've taken a -30 karma hit for this particular opinion already, despite very polite language. May as well go for -35.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by omgwtfbbq »

tesmar2 wrote: post #446
omgwtfbbq wrote: post #359

>How different is that from at-will employment though? You can be fired at any time and for more or less any non-federally-protected reason (and can quit any time too). That seems pretty uncontroversial in the US at least. Most Europeans would be horrified by this concept so I'm not sure it supports your argument.

I’m not sure why Americans care? Europe makes a different, worse tradeoff.

I doubt they would agree. Money != everything.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by gh-throw »

bilbo0s wrote: post #419
gh-throw wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For three different “jobs”, though.

I don't know man? Do "Twitch Streamer" and "YouTube Streamer" really constitute different "jobs"? (I mean, to the extent that they are "jobs" at all, I consider them the same "job".)

Amazon: author

YouTube: Youtuber

Twitch (as discussed elsewhere in the thread): eSports tournament competitors

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