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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

Why stop at websites? Why shouldn't airlines, hotels, banks, apartments, stores, and private universities ban whoever they like? How about creating a rule banning people who dye their hair blue?

There is - of course - rules around this. Certain qualities like race and sex are protected classes against which you cannot discriminate. To your example - a nightclub very well might discriminate against someone with blue hair.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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At some point a website stops being just a website and becomes a social institution in itself. And with great power comes great responsibility.

That's a easy statement to make until you actually try to define what "some point" actually means.

We agree that kids become adults at 18 and no one has a big problem with this. I don’t believe demarcating this “some point” is far more complicated.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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I don't believe she is breaking any rules. Having seen some of her streams, her behavior belongs more on a porn cam site than Twitch. She constantly is like "Stop objectifying me, I am just playing video games" but she wears extremely sexualized clothing, bends over into the camera and from seeing her streams multiple times, seems to only play dance games (if you see where this is going.) She isn't breaking any rules…

It sounds like you have spent a few hours enjoying her channel. There isn't anything wrong with that content. More innocent content is getting sexualized as we speak. She is playing into one aspect. Denying young people sexualized content means they will create sexualized content out of things not designed to be sexual in nature.

Genuinely it makes me uncomfortable to watch her. It is pure dissonance.

She is probably a lovely person and as I said, I fully support her business. I just wish Twitch would stop the double standard.

They either need to make an 18+ category or they need to stop allowing streaming softcore porn.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

So you want the government to force private companies to continue doing business with someone they no longer wish to provide services to? We aren't talking protected class here, we're talking private companies picking and choosing who to do business with via non-discriminatory means. That's called a free market. Will they be restored if they're proven innocent? Maybe. Maybe not. Again, that's called a free market.

> So you want the government to force

Not OP, but I don't want the government to force private companies to do anything - I want everybody to wake up and stand up against corporate censorship and abandoned Twitch en masse in protest. That's probably as likely as government enforcement, but a man can dream.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

Everyone feels entitled to host their content on others platforms for free.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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>If Trump really wants to get his thoughts out to the world, he can host his own website and publish them there And what's the recourse when the same forces collude to shut someone or some group out of the hosting platform for wrongthink? Build your own server farm? Build your own cloudflare? Build your own DNS? How far do we go in allowing tyranny by a loud and powerful minority? If we can regulate corporations to p…

> And what's the recourse when the same forces collude to shut someone or some group out of the hosting platform for wrongthink? I don't believe that "violent overthrow of the democratic process" specifically is a valid political position. I am comfortable discriminating against it. I am also comfortable with private parties exercising their constitutional rights to freedom of expression. > Build your own server farm…

> violent overthrow of the democratic process

Trump did not advocate for a violent overthrow as far as I know.

> I consider a free society to be a competitive marketplace for ideas

That requires those ideas to be heard. If everyone segregates into their own political bubbles there will be no competition of ideas, just endless echo chambers.

> It's not and whatever the concept of "social monopoly" is can only make sense if there is one party controlling all social expression, which is obviously not the case

Eh?

The people controlling the big corporations that control most communication in the English speaking online world are of very particular political leanings. They might not control all expression but they certainly control most of it.

> But political views are not (and IMHO should not) be protected. This would be the equivalent of picking winners in the free market of ideas.

I don't see how preventing the silencing of some ideas is equivalent to picking winners.

I'm not necessarily saying political views should be protected, just disputing the validity of your logic here.

> That many independent organizations came to the same conclusion is evidence that the system is working and that the idea itself has failed in the marketplace of ideas.

You say "independant", but there are strongly dominant cultures in those organizations and the people admitted to them are from a specific subset of the population. They might be somewhat independant in that Facebook doesn't decide what Twitter does (though I expect there's cross-polination of people moving back and forth between them), but they're both drawing from mostly the same pool of people and ideas.

I expect that Trump supporters, for example, have little influence in Facebook the company.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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post #276

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

The significant difference is I (assume) no one depended on your forum for earning a significant part of their income. Once you set yourself as a place where you want people come and earn money, then banning them, and thus depriving them of something of real monetary value, takes on and entire different set of nuances.

I don't think there really are "nuances" about what the owners can and cannot legally do. There are nuances about the decisions about people that are willing to participate in the website however.

Say I own twitch, can't I just shut it down? Maybe I mismanaged it, maybe it isn't profitable, maybe it isn't profitable enough to make it worth the trouble, maybe I want to make a statement, maybe I am bored, maybe I am sick. The point is the effect on the users would be the same. If you can't make it illegal for me to shut it down (on the premises that it would risk my users' livelihood) then you can't make it illegal for me to kick users out (on the same premise). So yes, people depending on MY service to earn a living has a lot of thinking and diversifying to do, it is not as risk-free as it seems, and there are nuances around that. In the end though, the owner(s) do and should have the last word.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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They didn't "silence" him because his brand of politics. Their stated reason for banning him from their platform was literally " due to the risk of further incitement of violence." Their TOS have specific "Glorification of Violence policy", which aims to prevent the glorification of violence that could inspire others to replicate violent acts and determined that they were highly likely to encourage and inspire people…

I personally have no idea where to find Trump's latest babble. This is also true for pretty much everyone I know. He has been effectively silenced. (And at least in the case of Twitter, it was definitely not for glorification of violence given the two tweets they cited in their blogpost)

>I personally have no idea where to find Trump's latest babble.

We'll ignore for a second that just because he can't post on twitter doesn't mean that you can't find things he's saying on twitter - so that would be the first place. 30 seconds of searching and they've got 4 posts about trump in the last 48 hours.

https://twitter.com/oann

Fox News? OANN? Newsmax? He's on almost daily and not exactly difficult to track down if you want to.

Sure you don't get his diarrhea of the mouth for 18 hours a day, but that's a far cry from being silenced.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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To add a little extra context to what other people are giving you: large, million-dollar digital tournaments stream on Twitch because they have no other choice if they want to reach viewers. ESL signed a deal with Facebook streaming that destroyed their viewership numbers because people go to Twitch to watch, not the website for the tournament. Organizers have clearly seen this and will not move their stream to anoth…

Well, then eSports stars are getting to be just like regular sports stars.

I'm okay with that. I think sports approaches this with the appropriate level of maturity. Has any sports exec said something to the effect of

> I can also ban you if I don’t like you. Or if I think it’s funny, or really any other reason.

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