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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by nitrogen »

Pfhreak wrote: post #135
Areibman wrote: post #66

It's strange to see a company that once prided itself on active engagement with its users to find product-market fit antagonize its content creators so much. And as a user, it gives me the perception that the platform is just plainly unfair. (Plus the platform is unusable without Adblock). Top streamers have been banned or lost partnerships for playing their own music[0], stating controversial political opinions[1][2…

To be clear, the controversial political opinions you believe should be platformed by Twitch are: "If that means white redneck militia dudes mowing down dipshit protesters that think they can torch buildings at 10 PM, at this point they have my fucking blessing." and "America Deserved 9/11"? Because those are the literal quotes from things that got people pulled from Twitch and you've labelled "controversial politica…

Your second quote should be no more or less controversial than saying that any of the countries the US invaded afterward also deserved those invasions. 9/11 was, in part, blowback from previous American foreign policy.

Interpreting that as saying that people deserve to be killed by terrorists is 1. confusing a country as a whole with its citizens as individuals and 2. an unrealistically literal interpretation of clear hyperbole. Interpreting common hyperbole literally is just as problematic as taking hyperbole to excess.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by rightbyte »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #186
kevinpet wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in California. Political activity off the clock is legally protected. Because it isn't ever actually carrying a swastika flag. It's supporting the opposite side of a current contentious issue like abortion.

Making a hostile environment at work probably isn't protected, though, and that's what carrying a swastika flag on national television will make. As soon as I know a coworker is running about carrying a swastika flag, I can never feel safe around that coworker again.

Prince Harry, John Cleese etc beg to differ. Or are we working with hypotetical actual nazis? 5g covid thruthers?

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Alupis »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #242
judge2020 wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what sort of incitement is coming from the left? is it "socialize healthcare" or "we should throw molotovs at protests", because the latter isn't allowed on Twitch either.

The Maxine Walters quote (she's a goldmine of things a professional politician is irresponsible to say) was the one I was thinking of but here's a link with a bunch of other stuff too. https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1117508460407447552

All of the "fight like hell" statements and similar that have been common-place in American politician's vocabularies for decades.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by BitwiseFool »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

>medium-large forum

That's the key. You were not operating a massive media platform with a significant marketshare that many people use to make a living with.

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Post by gentleman11 »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

It’s not just some site when you have no credible alternative because it killed all the competition years ago. The network effects are too strong

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Post by andybak »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

I think that works up to a certain scale but it's insufficient if you're Facebook or Twitter.

Now - is Twitch more like those or is it more like "Bob's Forum"?

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Post by ttt0 »

willk wrote: post #170
Alupis wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At a certain point, these platforms have such enormous, unprecedented influence and control over public discourse, that they aught to be thought of differently than, say a restaurant refusing service to a guy without a shirt or shoes on. We're clearly in uncharted territory, when it comes to the control and release of information. Just using Twitter and Facebook for example - they've silenced the second-most voted fo…

> they've silenced the second-most voted for President in American history, because he isn't their brand of politics. I think that is disingenuous. Twitter said "specifically how they are being received and interpreted on and off Twitter" [0]. It wasn't his brand of politics it was how his supporters were interpreting him and incitement of violence like what was seen when his supporters stormed the Capitol. [0]: http…

How it was interpreted was a mere interpretation in itself on Twitter's part. You can get rid of literally anyone for any reason if this is the standard.

How about we get rid of these 'white privilege' theories, because people are interpreting it as if every single white person is somehow inherently racist and evil?

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Post by thelean12 »

anoncake wrote: post #78
thelean12 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's your point? Does it change my point if they're considered contractors vs employees vs hobbyists vs whatever?

Since your point is that "Twitch is basically their employer", whether they're basically employees is relevant.

Anyone with substantial following, who would be most likely to get snitched on with this new policy, will be making money from twitch.

It doesn't matter to me how you categorize that relationship, my point is valid. "Basically employees" was a plenty fine layman's categorization, though. We aren't lawyers here.

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Post by sweetheart »

paxys wrote: post #197
alacombe wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your 2nd source links to Hasan saying "America deserved 9/11". Maybe it did.

It's hilarious that in a thread full of people hating on companies for deplatforming people for their opinions, you are getting massively downvoted for voicing your own opinion. Goes to show that no one really wants "free speech".

I think you’re confused as to what upvoting and downvoting are for. The voting system is design to lift up comments that provide value to the discussion, and hide comments that don’t. Someone being downvoted doesn’t mean everyone is disagreeing with them, or punishing them for their opinion, rather just recognizing that it doesn’t bring any value to the topic of conversation.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by ctdonath »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

The freedom of the press does not include freedom to use another’s press.

This is a hard lesson when a private press takes on near-monopoly scale by choice of clientele.

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