To be honest Facebook should offer a tracking free version with paid subscription. It is not acceptable that the only way to use Facebook and contact your family is to sacrifice your own and theirs privacy.
When are we going to have a regulator step in and tackle this?
It doesn't seem that GDPR has helped much, so I think more radical steps are needed.
Such tracking that is being done online would be illegal offline (stalking), so I don't see how long this is going to go. It's not sustainable.
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#32Seems like the right move from a volunteer run project, what will the future will hold though? Artificial scarcity is always a problem. On another note, for just 20k$ I can offer you exclusive use of the xxgfzrf.dinglebop.me Public Suffix so that you can keep tracking your users. Please reach out to sales@example.com if you are interested.
It's interesting because being added to the PSL reduces your ability to track users. So yeah, I have a bridge to sell you, interested?
> being added to the PSL reduces your ability to track users
Not really, in fact it can increase your ability to track users if it's (ab)used in specific ways - see use case #2 and #3 here:
https://github.com/privacycg/private-click-measurement/issue...
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#33To be honest Facebook should offer a tracking free version with paid subscription. It is not acceptable that the only way to use Facebook and contact your family is to sacrifice your own and theirs privacy. When are we going to have a regulator step in and tackle this? It doesn't seem that GDPR has helped much, so I think more radical steps are needed. Such tracking that is being done online would be illegal offline…
iPhone users are probably among Facebook's most valuable advertising demographic (ie. lots of disposable income). Apple's decisions to block tracking are hurting them in a big way, and offering a paid subscription probably won't seem attractive to users if Facebook prices it at the full value lost.
We've trained people that everything is free. We can't get away from that now that the genie is out of the bottle. Furthermore, people might just decide Facebook isn't worth it for them at the level of functionality they provide. As more churn happens, the overall value of the network decreases.
Apple just checkmated Facebook.
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#34Paid Sick Leave?
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
They seem to think that people can’t really “opt out” of “tracking” (scare quotes theirs). Talk about entitled.
The quotes are entirely appropriate because adding some domain to the PSL makes the subdomains siloed cookie-wise so they can't share cookies and the PSL cannot use cookies anymore. Since they can't share cookies you can't track across even the same domain when added to the PSL. This is a feature needed for sites like Rakuten, Shopify, Alibaba that have multiple merchants under the same domains. Nothing to do with en…
FB seems to believe they are entitled to the ability to track people on iOS. Apple is under no obligation to allow that.
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#36Isn’t the easiest solution here for companies to register their own domain? Why be company.service.tld and not just company.tld? What are these businesses doing for email?
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#37Is this actually a problem? From the Github page it seems like the rate of invalid inclusion requests is very low, less than one per day: https://github.com/publicsuffix/list/pulls?q=label%3Awontfix...
That's not the issue; addition requests volume has suddenly gone way up because of this new Apple policy, and the volunteers that run the PSL are not prepared for it.
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#38This followup issue seems to have a more clear writeup, especially for someone like me who is a bit out of the loop when it comes to the PSL: https://github.com/privacycg/private-click-measurement/issue...
While it does have quite a bit of details, this followup issue is clearly written by someone from FB or one of the other AdCos who wants to point the finger back at Apple. The tone and wording used here is rather rich and entitled.
Seriously. I can see reasons that aren't entirely altruistic for Apple in trying to increase these privacy protections but trying to offload it back to Apple as if Facebook's abuse of consumer data isn't the real reason for this is ridiculous.
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#39This followup issue seems to have a more clear writeup, especially for someone like me who is a bit out of the loop when it comes to the PSL: https://github.com/privacycg/private-click-measurement/issue...
While it does have quite a bit of details, this followup issue is clearly written by someone from FB or one of the other AdCos who wants to point the finger back at Apple. The tone and wording used here is rather rich and entitled.
According to the comments in the history of that user on Github, it is someone who claims to be an engineer from Facebook in an earlier post: https://github.com/WICG/trust-token-api/issues/28#issue-6447...
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