Are corporations the new government? New form of legal or justice system?
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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site
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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
Companies were already willing to fire you for posting racist stuff before Twitch made this decision.
Posting racist stuff just means you're stupid and the company made a mistake in hiring you.
The issue with this sentiment is that while some things are blatantly racist, there are other things that aren't so black and white. This is one of those slippery slopes where if left unchecked, anything and everything will be considered racist.
Also, you don't have to have good morals or even be intelligent to be good at your job. Some people are fantastic at their job, but are pretty damn "stupid" as you put it.
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#33Is there any doubt that we've entered the era of approved, or not free speech. 'Severe misconduct' today means racist behaviour, perhaps tomorrow it means support for the NRA, or anti-environmental behaviour. The thought police have finally invaded ever part of society.
If your speech is really valuable you shouldn't depend on the free services of a privately-owned ad-supported company meant for streaming games to propagate it. Furthermore speech as the forefathers probably meant was people physically going to town squares and talking there. There is free press, which is what social media is more like, and the owner of a press has the right to decide what he/she will print--the Cons…
Just because you (and dozens of others on this site) continue make this argument over and over doesn't mean that it isn't a problem.
Edit: someone built that town square. Someone founded those forums. At the end of the day, someone is always in control of something.
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#34"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…
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#35Is there any doubt that we've entered the era of approved, or not free speech. 'Severe misconduct' today means racist behaviour, perhaps tomorrow it means support for the NRA, or anti-environmental behaviour. The thought police have finally invaded ever part of society.
Please look up what "free speech" actually means, in order to disabuse yourself of the notion that private companies' actions have anything to do with it.
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#36The infantile hyper-moralization of online discourse, on social media but also elsewhere, is starting to get really, really tiring. Is there any solution other than total anonymity, keeping one's online and IRL personae hermetically sealed off from one another? What do you all think? Is this atmosphere here to stay or do you expect the winds of culture to shift anytime soon?
Private companies reacting to hate crimes is "infantile", now? Banning people for making credible threats of mass violence is "infantile"?
No it's not. And you should retract that.
Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site
#37"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…
I'm not sure why you say "arrived". People have always been fired for arrests at some companies. Twitch is basically their employer, so it's not much different here.
Whether it should be allowed or not by law can be a different discussion, but we don't have to pretend that this is new
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#38Is there any doubt that we've entered the era of approved, or not free speech. 'Severe misconduct' today means racist behaviour, perhaps tomorrow it means support for the NRA, or anti-environmental behaviour. The thought police have finally invaded ever part of society.
You should really educate yourself on what free speech actually is in USA. It protects you, from government limiting your speech (with some exceptions). Private companies can do whatever they want - that’s their free speech law, that was reaffirmed by Supreme Court in 2010.
I don’t support twitch decision, but it’s their business, they are free to set their own rules. And I’m free not to use their services as a result.
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#39"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…
Presumption of innocence is a legal principle and does not and will never apply to a corporation providing you services at their own discretion.
This is such a lazy argument that I'm so tired of hearing applied to quasi-public services. Maybe Twitch isn't a great example, but a few social media sites are. They might not be the government, but they're platforms with billions of people on them. Justice Thomas recently pointed out that we'll soon have no choice but to grapple with this distinction and determine how principles like the First Amendment apply to non-governmental public forums. I think it's a bit naive to hand wave it away as "if it's not the government, the principles of free speech don't apply." Maybe not legally... yet... but when people complain about this, it's the spirit of the 1A that they're concerned about, and I hope that some forthcoming legal doctrine will provide some legitimacy to their concerns so I can stop hearing this trite counterargument of "muh facebook isn't the government."
Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site
#40Good to know what witch-hunt enabling policies are still in full force. I was getting a bit worried there with all this talk of free-speech and forgiveness.
Burn them all!
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