Quite a few Twitch and Youtube streamers are moving to their own platform. I think the only thing holding them back was finding a way for people to make payments or to have advertising. Apparently people are finding ways around this obstacle?
Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site
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#22Is there any doubt that we've entered the era of approved, or not free speech. 'Severe misconduct' today means racist behaviour, perhaps tomorrow it means support for the NRA, or anti-environmental behaviour. The thought police have finally invaded ever part of society.
Companies were already willing to fire you for posting racist stuff before Twitch made this decision.
Posting racist stuff just means you're stupid and the company made a mistake in hiring you.
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#23Being shunned is the oldest, most effective social strategy for enforcing conformance that's worked for thousands of years. It's lost a lot of teeth recently as everyone can now find supportive communities for whatever dumb ass opinions they come to support and a lack of need for communal support to literally survive.
I tend not to buy into slippery slope arguments. I'm not going to bat an eye here.
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#24My employer can fire me for severe misconduct that occurs away from the office. Is that any different? Isn't this normal at most companies?
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#25"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…
Given how likely it is in the future that we're going to see more Christchurch like 'livestream terrrorism', combining media spectacle with violence this is completely reasonable. If there's indication that you may use Twitch for that kind of thing not letting you on the platform makes sense.
We need to stop throwing 'cancel culture' at everything. If you're known to be an advocate of violence or a lunatic they don't let you on public television or radio either.
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#26Quite a few Twitch and Youtube streamers are moving to their own platform. I think the only thing holding them back was finding a way for people to make payments or to have advertising. Apparently people are finding ways around this obstacle?
sponsored content, their own advertisements in their content, and patreon?
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#27Twitch doesn't enforce their own rules. It's the reason why Amouranth is the highest paid female streamer.
What rule is she breaking?
I don't believe she is breaking any rules. Having seen some of her streams, her behavior belongs more on a porn cam site than Twitch.
She constantly is like "Stop objectifying me, I am just playing video games" but she wears extremely sexualized clothing, bends over into the camera and from seeing her streams multiple times, seems to only play dance games (if you see where this is going.)
She isn't breaking any rules but Jesus Christ she is a really bad look for the platform.
I have nothing wrong with sexualization. Heck, Twitch should add an 18+ category. Do it. But you can't have people like Amo and say you prohibit sexual content.
I would not feel at all comfortable watching her streams at work if that's a metric.
Go to 43m57 seconds in this video: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/972822254 (Partial nudity, sexualized behavior). "Don't mind me, innocently shaking my protein shake in my bra on camera"
1h05m34s: "Don't mind me doing splits and checking that the camera is well-positioned"
Oh and she is wearing a sports bra for a sit-down gaming stream, then at ~5h she moves her stream to a kiddie pool wearing a pretty loose bikini top.
I mean, absolutely get that money. She is absolutely in her rights to do this and I genuinely support her, but you can't have her on the same platform as streamers like SodaPoppin getting scared for showing a dildo on camera.
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#28The infantile hyper-moralization of online discourse, on social media but also elsewhere, is starting to get really, really tiring.
Is there any solution other than total anonymity, keeping one's online and IRL personae hermetically sealed off from one another?
What do you all think? Is this atmosphere here to stay or do you expect the winds of culture to shift anytime soon?
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Companies were already willing to fire you for posting racist stuff before Twitch made this decision.
Posting racist stuff just means you're stupid and the company made a mistake in hiring you.
We're already way beyond that. I saw someone get fired because their wife tweeted something that wasn't PC 10 years ago and a coworker found it.
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#30Imagine if ISPs had rules like this. Oh, somebody from your company said or did something we don't like? We will suspend services for your company to combat this behavior.