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Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

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Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

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That's great. Assuming the following: - Your commute is sufficiently short - You have facilities to shower and dress at work - You have sufficient time to shower and dress at work - You don't have to bring kids or sizable cargo - Weather is sufficiently good - You're sufficiently healthy

- You live somewhere warm enough to bike year-round.

“There’s no such thing as bad weather”.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#52

That's great. Assuming the following: - Your commute is sufficiently short - You have facilities to shower and dress at work - You have sufficient time to shower and dress at work - You don't have to bring kids or sizable cargo - Weather is sufficiently good - You're sufficiently healthy

- bicycle parking/storage at destinations ( you're not going to bring a muddy bicycle into the office )

- physically separated bicycle/automobile traffic ( safety like the netherlands )

- cycling support infrastructure ( to quickly address flats / part breakage when out and about )

- reliable backup transportation ( when all else fails )

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

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Cycling is wonderful and I've lived with only a bike and no car at least three times in my adult life. But cycling just isn't going to work in many, many cases. Large parts of the population are too old, too infirm or handicapped in some way to make it more than a few blocks. Yes, some could be forced to lose some weight and get in better shape, but that's not going to work for many people with chronic conditions. Th…

Sounds like what you need is this https://www.podbike.com/

That's an electric car which, according to the article, is the wrong choice. It has all of the parking issues as a regular car. It needs all of the electricity to move its weight.

Just because it has two pedals doesn't make it a bike.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right now I know that we are getting a LOT of deliveries during the pandemic... I'm not sure it's quite that simple.

Well its probably better than driving out to the store. Since delivery trucks have many packages, the CO2 footprint per package is lower than one person in one car driving.

But then what typically would be a single trip ends up being multiple delivered packages. There's also the environmental cost of the extra packaging.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

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The headline claim as laid out in the article: > we found that emissions from cycling can be more than 30 times lower for each trip than driving a fossil fuel car, and about ten times lower than driving an electric one Assuming we’re comparing single occupant passenger vehicles to bicycles (incl. e-bikes), this seems fairly self-evident and hardly actionable. > We observed around 4,000 people living in London, Antwer…

I don’t get it where is the emission coming from bicycle trips?

> vehicle life cycle emissions considered emissions from the manufacture of vehicles, with aggregate carbon values per vehicle type (cars, motorcycles, bikes and public transport vehicles) derived assuming typical lifetime mileages, mass body weights, material composition and material-specific emissions and energy use factors.

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> The observed e-bike share was 4.5%; therefore, average emissions include 4.5% e-bike, 95.5% normal bike.

It’s not totally clear to me if the emissions required to produce the energy the human burned to power the bicycle are included—it would certainly vary quite a bit based on the food.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#56
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Switching from gas to electric is something I can do all on my own. Switching from gas car to cycling is something that would require major investments from my city and developers. Both are noble goals, but let's not let perfect be the enemy of good. Switch to electric now, and also encourage new roads and new developments to be bike friendly, so that switching to a bike is something that will be viable in 20 or 30 y…

Hey, without cars we would need no lanes.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#57

That's great. Assuming the following: - Your commute is sufficiently short - You have facilities to shower and dress at work - You have sufficient time to shower and dress at work - You don't have to bring kids or sizable cargo - Weather is sufficiently good - You're sufficiently healthy

The Dutch have solved the kids/cargo problem. My friend lives in a suburb of Amsterdam. She has an electric assist bike with a cargo carrier. She uses it to carry kids and cargo, like groceries and such.

She used it to carry four kids (her three and one of mine) when we visited. We took the rented car and she beat us there.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#58

That's great. Assuming the following: - Your commute is sufficiently short - You have facilities to shower and dress at work - You have sufficient time to shower and dress at work - You don't have to bring kids or sizable cargo - Weather is sufficiently good - You're sufficiently healthy

- You live somewhere warm enough to bike year-round.

A lot of people cycle to work in Finland in the winter. This also applies in the northern parts like Oulu. All you need is a good cycling network that is properly maintained in the winter and people will use it.

A okish video about winter biking https://youtu.be/Uhx-26GfCBU

Basically the temperature does not really matter much. It has more to do with the maintenance. If the cycling paths exist and are in good condition people will use them. Actually I think properly cold weather (stays below freezing most of the winter) is better then when weather is going above and below freezing point all the time.

edit: And cycling in the rain is much worse then riding in the winter in my opinion.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#59
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

- You live somewhere warm enough to bike year-round.

I rode year round in Chicago. When weather was too extreme and unreasonable I took public transportation.

ding ding. We also need to invest in proper public transit

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

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Switching from gas to electric is something I can do all on my own. Switching from gas car to cycling is something that would require major investments from my city and developers. Both are noble goals, but let's not let perfect be the enemy of good. Switch to electric now, and also encourage new roads and new developments to be bike friendly, so that switching to a bike is something that will be viable in 20 or 30 y…

What major investment would be required from the city or developers to set up cycling infrastructure? Painting some cycle lanes onto the roads? Marking a few car parking places as bike parking places? That's all that cycling infrastructure really is, so it's super cheap. A lot cheaper than, say, building charging stations for electric cars.
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