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Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

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Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

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Cycling to/from work, grocery stores, etc. is completely infeasible for 6 months of the year in approximately 1/3 of the United States. In addition to seasonal infeasibility, much of the U.S. is rural... good luck commuting 15 miles each way to work.

If it’s doable in Scandinavia I’d say it’s doable in the whole US too. It’s not comfortable some days, but it’s doable (disclaimer - I don’t do it even in nice weather but I pass a lot of people with my car that do).

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#42

That's great. Assuming the following: - Your commute is sufficiently short - You have facilities to shower and dress at work - You have sufficient time to shower and dress at work - You don't have to bring kids or sizable cargo - Weather is sufficiently good - You're sufficiently healthy

- You live somewhere warm enough to bike year-round.

Cycling is very popular for commuting here in Sweden...

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#43

That's great. Assuming the following: - Your commute is sufficiently short - You have facilities to shower and dress at work - You have sufficient time to shower and dress at work - You don't have to bring kids or sizable cargo - Weather is sufficiently good - You're sufficiently healthy

- You can either store your bike at home and on your job, or rent a bike

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

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The headline claim as laid out in the article: > we found that emissions from cycling can be more than 30 times lower for each trip than driving a fossil fuel car, and about ten times lower than driving an electric one Assuming we’re comparing single occupant passenger vehicles to bicycles (incl. e-bikes), this seems fairly self-evident and hardly actionable. > We observed around 4,000 people living in London, Antwer…

I have a multi-city dedicated completely separate from traffic bike path that would take up 90% of my bicycle commute distance but I still drive to work because the last 2 miles to get into the office involves mingling with high speed traffic, broken glass, trash, illegally parked cars and my favorite: "SHARE THE ROAD" signs.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#45

That's great. Assuming the following: - Your commute is sufficiently short - You have facilities to shower and dress at work - You have sufficient time to shower and dress at work - You don't have to bring kids or sizable cargo - Weather is sufficiently good - You're sufficiently healthy

The Dutch would disagree with you pretty much with every single point. Except the last one, maybe.

That's great for the Dutch but I don't live in the Netherlands, I live in Texas. All of the above are absolutely concerns - especially in the summer.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

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Cycling is wonderful and I've lived with only a bike and no car at least three times in my adult life. But cycling just isn't going to work in many, many cases. Large parts of the population are too old, too infirm or handicapped in some way to make it more than a few blocks. Yes, some could be forced to lose some weight and get in better shape, but that's not going to work for many people with chronic conditions. Th…

I have two little kids. I also own an electric cargo bike. It has replaced over 2,000 car miles in the past year. I can bike to the grocery store, with two kids, and come back with a week's worth of groceries.

So it replaced 2000 miles. If the average person puts 10k-15k on a car, it sounds like you only used it on a few little trips around the neighborhood.

You're making my point for me. I'm not saying bikes don't work. I'm just saying that there are many times that they don't work. And it sounds like you're a bike lover and even then, you couldn't replace 8k-13k a year of car travel.

And I'll note that you're using an electric bike. That's like an electric car, but with only two wheels. So you're really on the wrong side according to this article.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#47
post #11

Cycling to/from work, grocery stores, etc. is completely infeasible for 6 months of the year in approximately 1/3 of the United States. In addition to seasonal infeasibility, much of the U.S. is rural... good luck commuting 15 miles each way to work.

I biked to work year-round in Calgary, Canada every workday during a 16 month internship. Including during heavy snow. Tungsten-studded bike tires made it easy. This was before the current era of electric-powered fatbikes, which easily handle such conditions.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't this actionable? We are currently making significant public and private investments into electric cars based on their reduced emissions. Why not also invest in cycling infrastructure (beyond the very limited capacity that most US cities are currently doing)?

There is no evidence to suggest millions of bicycle commuters are waiting in the wings for more green paint.

Not green paint, but safe cycling infrastructure would absolutely convert my girlfriend to a cyclist.

The amount of people who call me insane for cycling on London roads is no joke.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#49
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post #6

Cycling is wonderful and I've lived with only a bike and no car at least three times in my adult life. But cycling just isn't going to work in many, many cases. Large parts of the population are too old, too infirm or handicapped in some way to make it more than a few blocks. Yes, some could be forced to lose some weight and get in better shape, but that's not going to work for many people with chronic conditions. Th…

Large parts of the population are too old and infirm to drive safely any distance.

And so? Would they be able to handle a bike? I don't think so. The point is that large parts of the population can't make the transition to this bike shangrila because of age and/or health.

Re: Cycling is more important than electric cars for reaching net-zero cities

#50

That's great. Assuming the following: - Your commute is sufficiently short - You have facilities to shower and dress at work - You have sufficient time to shower and dress at work - You don't have to bring kids or sizable cargo - Weather is sufficiently good - You're sufficiently healthy

- the commute is sufficiently flat
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