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Bruce Perens: On Non-Judicical Punishment of Individuals

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Re: Bruce Perens: On Non-Judicical Punishment of Individuals

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pseudalopex wrote: post #215
skissane wrote: post #112

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As I've pointed out before [0], his "self-undiagnosis" appears to be based on misconceptions; given that, how much weight should we put on it? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26537802

Stallman said he didn't have most of the characteristics of Asperger's. Rhythm was just an example.

If you read the comment I linked, I explained why I don't think that is relevant–you don't need to have problems with rhythm to meet the diagnostic criteria for Aspergers syndrome (or ASD under the current DSM-5). Stallman's comments reveal that he has a poor understanding of the diagnostic criteria (or at least he did when he made those comments, many years ago–he may have improved his understanding since), which is why I don't think one should put much weight on them.

Re: Bruce Perens: On Non-Judicical Punishment of Individuals

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Post by skissane »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #219
skissane wrote: post #174

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If someone confides in you their private medical information, it is inappropriate to put that information in a press release without their permission, full stop, no exceptions. Certainly morally, and possibly even legally. "Is it okay if I put your private medical information in our press release?"–many people would view that question as inappropriate to even ask.

"without their permission" Yes. But I didn't say it is appropriate, me saying this was only in your head.

My opinion is that it is inappropriate without permission, but it is also inappropriate to ask permission.

Re: Bruce Perens: On Non-Judicical Punishment of Individuals

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Post by pseudalopex »

skissane wrote: post #221
pseudalopex wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stallman said he didn't have most of the characteristics of Asperger's. Rhythm was just an example.

If you read the comment I linked, I explained why I don't think that is relevant–you don't need to have problems with rhythm to meet the diagnostic criteria for Aspergers syndrome (or ASD under the current DSM-5). Stallman's comments reveal that he has a poor understanding of the diagnostic criteria (or at least he did when he made those comments, many years ago–he may have improved his understanding since), which is…

I read your comment already. You talked about part of what the journalist quoted like it was all Stallman said. He went on to say he has some of the characteristics. He described how they affected his life. He discussed a book about subclinical mental disorders by Harvard psychiatry professor John Ratey. He suggested he might have what's called broader autism phenotype now.

The strongest plausible interpretation of what he said is he understood the distinction between clinical and subclinical presentations and the part about rhythm was incidental. It's clear he had some understanding at least. Insisting he must have thought rhythm was a diagnostic criterion and that completely invalidates his understanding is the weakest plausible interpretation at best.

Re: Bruce Perens: On Non-Judicical Punishment of Individuals

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Post by skissane »

pseudalopex wrote: post #223
skissane wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read the comment I linked, I explained why I don't think that is relevant–you don't need to have problems with rhythm to meet the diagnostic criteria for Aspergers syndrome (or ASD under the current DSM-5). Stallman's comments reveal that he has a poor understanding of the diagnostic criteria (or at least he did when he made those comments, many years ago–he may have improved his understanding since), which is…

I read your comment already. You talked about part of what the journalist quoted like it was all Stallman said. He went on to say he has some of the characteristics. He described how they affected his life. He discussed a book about subclinical mental disorders by Harvard psychiatry professor John Ratey. He suggested he might have what's called broader autism phenotype now. The strongest plausible interpretation of w…

The boundary between ASD and BAP isn't always clear even to experienced clinicians. Someone who isn't an experienced clinician, their judgement of which side of that line a person lies on is much more likely to be wrong. That's true even when the person in question is their own self. Given that, how much weight should we give to Stallman's opinion on the issue?

And, this isn't directed at you personally, but I think a lot of people who bring "Stallman says he doesn't have it" into the argument don't display any awareness of the concept of BAP.

Re: Bruce Perens: On Non-Judicical Punishment of Individuals

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Post by kstenerud »

jordigh wrote: post #220
kstenerud wrote: post #214

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Do you have evidence to support these allegations?

I saw the letter being drafted and promoted in /g/ and if you go there now you'll find threads talking about it, I bet. But it is 4chan and threads don't stay up long or get archived, so you can be content in thinking I'm lying if you prefer.

Much like the letter against him was being drafted and promoted in the open? I fail to see the sinister edge of this in either camp. I took a look, and both letters garnered many comments (for and against) on many platforms as they were being written and promoted, as it should be when doing such things. They are collective actions, after all.

Sorry, but there really is nothing here.

Re: Bruce Perens: On Non-Judicical Punishment of Individuals

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Post by [deleted] »

kstenerud wrote: post #225
jordigh wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw the letter being drafted and promoted in /g/ and if you go there now you'll find threads talking about it, I bet. But it is 4chan and threads don't stay up long or get archived, so you can be content in thinking I'm lying if you prefer.

Much like the letter against him was being drafted and promoted in the open? I fail to see the sinister edge of this in either camp. I took a look, and both letters garnered many comments (for and against) on many platforms as they were being written and promoted, as it should be when doing such things. They are collective actions, after all. Sorry, but there really is nothing here.

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Re: Bruce Perens: On Non-Judicical Punishment of Individuals

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Post by jordigh »

kstenerud wrote: post #225
jordigh wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw the letter being drafted and promoted in /g/ and if you go there now you'll find threads talking about it, I bet. But it is 4chan and threads don't stay up long or get archived, so you can be content in thinking I'm lying if you prefer.

Much like the letter against him was being drafted and promoted in the open? I fail to see the sinister edge of this in either camp. I took a look, and both letters garnered many comments (for and against) on many platforms as they were being written and promoted, as it should be when doing such things. They are collective actions, after all. Sorry, but there really is nothing here.

The quality of the sites where each letter was promoted is not the same. That was my point. They weren't all promoted to the same people and the type of signatories show: people who actually work on the software vs people who don't.

Not everything is the same to everything else. Nuance and distinction is possible.

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