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Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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For me, it was a move into a (technical/site) management function in an international satellite office of an American company. I got paid handsomely (near top of achievable normal income in country and well above expectation for my age/experience) and only had to work as much as was necessary to maintain stability. This led to plenty of time for hobbies, because I was judged only on keeping my region running and out of the news. Lots of work at the outset, little once I figured things out.

Now, I'm in a (functional/people) management job that requires more focus, but pays three times as much, in a different and more expensive country, so it probably works out to around 2-2.5x as much. With the recent addition of a competent senior manager under me, I'm able to slack off a bit - a bit, not a lot - and play with my hobbies between or during particularly brain-dead calls.

tl;dr management, and fill the ranks under you with good people. I know you said you didn't want to manage people, but unless you're VERY good with creating novel AI, it's probably the fastest route to your goal. I recently did a farm management course with a guy who hammered home the idea that you need to focus on your desire/objective/goal, really understand what you consider important, and not set obstacles for yourself at the outset that would prevent you from getting there. His frequent refrain is that he could meet his goals "in prison" as long as he was willing to be flexible about how he achieved them. Give it a think. If you get to pick the people, having a weekly sync is a lot less effort than trying to write software part-time.

Another important area for you to focus on is cost management: if you can go, or make a 2-to-3-year plan to go, somewhere that the money you have now will buy a house outright, you can potentially live off a hell of a lot less. Reduce your monthly living expenses to exclude a mortgage or rent and include only food+utilities+tax+insurance+hobbies and you may find that you can get by with part-time employment, seasonal work, or time-limited contract work of your choosing. There are many flavors of this: go work in the sandbox for Raytheon, do a month on and a month off on a rig, get a job on a ship, go do a stint at a mining camp when you need cash, etc. All of those places need people with tech skills, and they're probably full of people who are in it for the money and because they love the vast expanses of free time between deployments.

N.B. I'm American, and have been in Europe for 18 years-- so yes, if you're in the USA, a move to somewhere with a more healthy work-life culture could potentially be realistic for you to consider. The Netherlands is not a bad place if slacking in English while maintaining a high standard of living is your goal.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Just get some remote/freelance programming work with long-term potential and then hire someone else to do all of it for you and keep the difference. Make sure to pick a client who is in a very lucrative high-margin industry, so that even once the work dries up they will want to keep you on payroll incase something goes wrong. They might literally pay you a salary to do nothing just for the one day a year things break…

I know a guy who had two contracts like this. He did the work himself, but then they both kept him on $3k monthly retainers to just be available in case anything breaks. He didn't work for about a decade, and then when the contracts ended, all his skills were a decade out of date and he couldn't get work. But, he had saved up, bought a house which 4x'd in value, and is only just starting to worry about money another 10 years later.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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post #415

If you want my advice, it is simply this: look for dysfunctional companies. They're easy to recognize, because they look like pretty much the opposite of those companies everybody really want to work at. Take everything you see from a website like Elastic[1] for example and invert it: - It should NOT be clear what the value proposition is. - The website should NOT adhere to modern design standards, or at least do so…

Specifically, stay away from the tech industry.

1. Look for a smaller antiquated company or department that doesn't understand IT, and has few if any in-house IT professionals. Make sure the role doesn't include user support. Look for "Operations" jobs.

2. Look for positions that have a TON of manual work. Search for "prepare daily/weekly/etc... reports." and similar job functions.

3. Automate as much of it as possible.

4. DO NOT TELL ANYONE that you have automated those functions.

(optional - ethical constraints)

5. Insist on working from home so you can work for multiple companies simultaneously.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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I build a website that helps people navigate life in Germany. It requires little work and pays the bills. I still have to work, but if it's sunny outside, I am rarely stuck behind the keyboard. Unfortunately, I don't think I could easily reproduce. I wouldn't have the energy to do the same in a new location. Even in my little circle, I have many competitors, though they are fortunately not that good. If there was an…

Link please :)

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Enterprise Architecture. Your whole job is to maintain spreadsheets and diagrams that don’t change often, attend meetings with solution architects to work through integration points, and draft reference architecture patterns. You need to understand a lot about tech and a little about business and it does tend to be a more senior role. The pay is awesome though, and I do maybe 5 hours of real work a week.

Pure technology work of the form you describe is the realm of offshore. It has very little value to the company so they generally aren’t willing to pay for someone in a country with a high cost of living. If you do find a job like this, expect it to be offshored when the company wises up. EA is a good mix of needing a technical background but also being in a position that is highly variable by company and not easily outsourced.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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> It's your right by law to reduce your hours for the same pay/hour. Is this actually a thing? There are laws regarding this? How do these laws work if there's a job requirement itself which needs certain number of hours?

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=LEGISSUM... : “Part-time workers cannot be treated less favourably than comparable full-time workers solely because they work part-time, unless it can be objectively justified.” So, employers can deny requests for shorter working hours, but only if that can be objectively justified. In general, that’s fairly hard to do, given the amount of part-time workers and the…

Have you heard of Texas? Almost the worst state in the union for workers. This is a right-to-work or at-will employment state. This means employers can, and often do, treat workers like slaves with little oversight. Texas law says an employer can fire a worker without "cause or condition". They could fire anyone for almost anything and they do. This state is absolutely hostile to unions, worker rights, and higher pay. The only reason I can avoid much of this is because I work for a not-for-profit and we treat each other with respect. I'm blessed in this regard. I'm negotiating with my wife to move to the PNW at some point. I hate the politics, weather, and redneck outlook here with a raging passion.

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post #302

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I think the take-away here, which I've also experienced, is to get an IT job in an industry that does not appreciate IT - find a position that seems to involve a TON of manual work - automate all of it - and DO NOT TELL anyone that you have automated those activities. If you are working from home, you could conceivably do this for multiple jobs (in theory, ethical considerations aside).

I know a UX/UI guy that worked for two big canadian banks at the same time. He was moving to Bank B, and did it for three months, just enough to lock in his annual bonus on Bank A. Oh, and he was praised in Bank A for his work in this period.

I have a very good friend, who was also a fairly accomplished engineer at Google for a time...

He, in the past, had like five jobs - he outsourced all his work to devs in Croatia, and he would take on jobs and present the work on a regular basis - but he was doing none of it.

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post #345

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Stories like this is what will get to management and have them force everyone back in to the office.

I don't get this reaction by management- if the work is getting done, who cares?!

I think the answer is because it's called "business" - if you're not busy it's "bad for the economy"

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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post #415

If you want my advice, it is simply this: look for dysfunctional companies. They're easy to recognize, because they look like pretty much the opposite of those companies everybody really want to work at. Take everything you see from a website like Elastic[1] for example and invert it: - It should NOT be clear what the value proposition is. - The website should NOT adhere to modern design standards, or at least do so…

The backhaul VOIP telco space has TONS of companies that meet these criteria.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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post #355

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> And are you 100% certain they are not monetizable? I learned that once I try to monetize my hobbies, there’s a very real risk that they become stressful and no longer fun and invigorating. Sometimes it’s best to keep hobbies as just hobbies. Or, at least, make sure you have some hobbies that will only ever stay hobbies. Nothing wrong with trying to do monetize something you love, just don’t let it be the only thing…

This is one of the most important lessons driven people have to learn!

Yeah. I have since went out of my way to develop some new hobbies that have nothing to do with my work. I used to program a lot because it was fun (and I still do for fun every so often) but after doing it for work for many years, I often feel like its sucked much of the fun out. I can usually still enjoy working on stuff that's very different from the day to day (eg tinkering with 3D graphics), but I don't have quite the same level of drive and enthusiasm I once had.

So I picked up sleight of hand card tricks a few years ago as something to do that had nothing to do with computers and last year I started to learn to play the guitar. I have no intention of ever trying to monetize either of these hobbies. They're purely for fun, to relax.

I have other hobbies too, but too many revolve around computers or tech and after a long day in front of the screen, its good to get away and do something completely different.

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