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7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they?

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Do all phone calls (even from a landline) go over the Internet at some point these days? If you make phone calls, can it be said that you do use the Internet?

If you ride the bus, it’s not the answer people are looking for when they awkwardly phrase the question if you have a car as “do you use a vehicle?”

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A significant portion of the US is illiterate [1]. One might assume that being illiterate affects internet usage. Not quite as romantic as neo-Luddism, or even making a conscious choice not to expose oneself to potentially problematic patterns of communication. [1] https://nces.ed.gov/datapoints/2019179.asp

Well we certainly added to that number with many districts refusing to return to class even when the science proved it was safe and the concerns being bandied about were not supported by any research.

The real danger not mentioned in the article is how many of that seven percent have students in school districts that were not offering classroom education?

We have areas of the country, mostly serving minority students, who have irreparably harmed their chances because politics trumped science.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n521

https://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economi...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...

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I'm sorry, Europe has missed out on the last three generations of technology? I live in Europe and have visited the US. My impression has been the opposite. When I was visiting (5 years ago): - The trains didn't work - People printed out google maps instructions instead of using a network connection because data connections were bad/expensive - I had to sign my name to pay with a card at gas stations. I couldn't use…

After all, Germany makes all the cars that end up in the US. I just pulled up a list of the top 25 selling cars in the US and there are 0 German brands on that list. Plus most of the 'German' cars sold in the US are also made in the US.

Yeah, actually one third ends up in China.

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My outrage quotient has dropped significantly in the two and a half months since I deleted facebook and twitter. Just removing those two things from my life has made a measurable improvement in my quality of life.

Did you try just... not following the outrage parts? Not getting outraged? If you want to spend more time connecting with people you care about, getting rid of facebook feels like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Given that outrage is very attractive. And facebook aims to attract you. It's safe to say that they will slip in outrage every chance they get.

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I know this is frowned upon here but: Nice try Mark

First rule of HN: don't astroturf. Second rule of HN: don't call out people who you think are astroturfing. Third rule: astroturf.

Nice try Paul.

Re: 7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they?

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I've been using the Internet since 1992-3. Lately I'm feeling more and more like these 7% have the right idea.

I often think of what life would be without using the internet. Observing a electronics sabbath usually on sat, seems like a good idea. Not Jewish but feel that the Rabbis of old were on to something.

I try to do this for the last week of every month. I don't turn off the router because I'm not going to exclude myself from things like Discord with friends, facetime with my Mom, or paying bills with my laptop instead of my phone. But anything non-essential is off limits.

It was certainly hard to keep this up in 2020 though, I pretty much dropped the habit from April to December

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My outrage quotient has dropped significantly in the two and a half months since I deleted facebook and twitter. Just removing those two things from my life has made a measurable improvement in my quality of life.

Did you try just... not following the outrage parts? Not getting outraged? If you want to spend more time connecting with people you care about, getting rid of facebook feels like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

It's impossible to avoid even in groups, because for each fb post the algorithm chooses the top 2-3 comments to show. And it will be ones which have the most interaction (replies, emojis). And the ones who outrage will have the most interaction thus will be shown.

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Honestly, I wish I could stop using the internet. I make a lot of things and enjoy sharing them because other people might find them useful. It has often led to wonderful and inspiring conversations. Yet it's obvious there's something very very wrong happening with American culture that began around the time of social media platform consolidation. "Being online" entails a distinct mindset and attitude that is incompa…

I recommend getting off social media and figuring out how to just chat with people whether that be telegram, signal, discord or something like that. Leaving twitter, fb and those has left me feeling much better. It sucks there's no way to chat with people on FB without using FB software anymore (even Frost seems broken now) though.

Re: 7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they?

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The problem is that whoever you follow (whether they're friends, family or just interesting people) they ARE following the outrage parts. And of course there's the "trending" sidebars, and ads and other stuff that gets injected into your timeline without you asking for it. So things bleed in no matter how careful you are. The platforms are designed to drag you in and outrage you. Trying to avoid that is a constant ba…

The platforms are designed to show you more of what you engage with. I can understand that for people who are addicted to outrage-bait, blocking might be the only way to break out of that, but if you engage with the parts you want to see more of and not with the parts you don't, facebook learns pretty quickly, IME.

I don't know that I agree with this, but even if we assume it's 100% true, this is still a problem given Facebook's addictive nature. Practically speaking, most people don't have the impulse control to pull themselves away from mindless, addictive content. And I don't think it's a huge surprise that a lot of the people who have gone down the Facebook rabbit hole are older. Less tech savvy, and perhaps not as sharp as they were at the height of their lives.

Re: 7% of Americans don’t use the internet. Who are they?

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While I'd love to use the internet less, it has become clear to me, over the years, that it's an essential tool in pursuing relationship with people in their twenties. For better or worse, a lot of the social experience has been outsourced to the virtual networks: from organizing parties to sharing ideas to a friend to having fun together (nowadays done with online games), we seem to be less and less able to verbally…

>> Loneliness is a real huge problem among the youth -- without the internet it'd be unbearable.

How much of that loneliness problem is caused by the internet we think is helping it? Take it away and people have to start interacting again. Without the endless streams of entertainment we have to sit in rooms together chatting or we'd go mad.

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