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Nice. I'll look for one of those. I'd be perfectly content having some designs/specs handed out and implementing them.
First was with a Huawei partner. They do certifications for this, full training, gave a checklist of what to do, and how to handle every error code. It pays bloody well for blue collar work. The work was done remotely at the time. You could probably find similar work with some other tech giant that outsources routine work to agencies. Second was with a major coding bootcamp that had a partnership with an educational…
Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?
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#52Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?
#53What salary on the 'lower side' would you deem reasonable?
30k€/year would be more than enough.
I earn 59 working remote from Berlin for a company in Frankfurt.
Im deliberately staying at this firm even though I could earn more elsewhere because I've optimised expectations and flows
I work 40h a week but get it done in half. This is a good thing, for both me and the firm. I have "Freiraum im kopf" (not sure how to translate that, read clear headspace) to think big thoughts that sometimes feed back into the company.
I find clear communication there is absolutely vital. Seeming lazy is the enemy.
I made it clear from the start I only answer mails twice a day at preset times (9:00 and 17:00), not because I am lazy but because I am disciplined and orderly.
My explanation for not interacting with chat / calls half the day is blocking decent time blocks for deep knowledge work. This is true, but not all of that knowledge work is directly for the firm in that moment.
I find project managers are problematic sometimes. Their core job is talking to people, so they want meetings to validate their existence. To that end, I time-block my calendar publicly. I mark off all non work times so no meetings can be made by mistake in awkward times, and block off knowledge work times as busy. I also have recommended meeting times for non mission critical things like weekly roundups. Grouping these is important.
If you are low in the hierarchy you will be pushed around and your meetings will be scattered throughout the week.
I negotiated a day for research each week instead of a raise and do a quarterly presentation on whats new in the zoo
Sometimes its crunch time and I work a 80h week but this amounts to about 4 weeks a year max. Being flexible and open to this makes me seem like a team player. If there is a crisis Im first on site. The image is important, and I make a concerted effort to make sure its seen.
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#54Hey, at least you're honest. Is the problem that your work has no meaning? There are plenty of nonprofits that are slugging away using inefficient processes that could benefit from a developer that makes them custom software. Maybe there's one out there that aligns with your hobbies?
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#55I do kinda understand where you're coming from but I want to warn you against this approach. These jobs you mention, they DO exist. But they break people and make them intensely miserable. Look into "boreout" (as opposed to burnout) to learn more about this. You will be very happy for the first few months, being able to browse HN, news sites and Reddit all day while nobody cares about what you do, nobody wants your i…
Thank you for your advice. I do not have it in me anymore to get the high paying job and go all-out, unfortunately. I understand the really boring jobs would probably lead to depression and not much else. I think a good alternative path would be to look for real jobs but as a part-timer. I'm not sure if there are any ~20 hours a week dev jobs, but that would most likely be enough. I'm passionate about playing a compe…
These definitely exist, at least in some companies. One of my former employers had several developers who worked 3 days (i.e. 22.5 hours) per week.
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#56The best I can suggest is sysadmin for some boring government agency. It doesn't fit the "fully remote" part, but otherwise you are free to do whatever you want as long as everything is up and running. You also don't need to manage anyone, although you do have to talk to angry users once in a while.
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#57I do kinda understand where you're coming from but I want to warn you against this approach. These jobs you mention, they DO exist. But they break people and make them intensely miserable. Look into "boreout" (as opposed to burnout) to learn more about this. You will be very happy for the first few months, being able to browse HN, news sites and Reddit all day while nobody cares about what you do, nobody wants your i…
This is a bit off topic, but I like to add an observation. You assume in your post that someone could go all out on something the person doesn't care about. For me, that is not possible. Most likely also not for OP. But the possibility seems self evident, giving your post. I assume you are a person high in consciousness IRL? In any case, people are truly different from time to time.
That being said, I don't believe you ;-) (I say this with affection). You'd be surprised what people are capable of doing if economic needs require them to do it. People will do every cleaning job they can get or wait tables if it means they won't starve to death or get closer to their dream job as an movie star...
I've often thought about this and I would encourage others to try and adopt this mindset: There are always jobs you can do, even very menial ones, if you really need the money (and no, I don't mean prostitution). But knowing that you always have options, can and will help you a lot, especially when times get tough.
It means you will never have to give up, even if you're desperate. You will never have to put up with being abused by your boss for years. You will never have to starve. If you scrub enough toilets (or do the equivalent developer job) to make enough money to buy a suit and travel to another city and try something new, well, you can do it. I think this is pretty central to the American dream, actually. Nobody's saying it's easy. But you absolutely CAN if you really have to!
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
30k€/year would be more than enough.
I am sorry but from what I know, 30k€/year is more than the average wage (net) in most European countries, for a full-time job, mind you. In many countries, like Italy or Spain, it's even more like just 20k€/year. To US citizens that is often surprising but you obviously can't discount the social safety net, universal health care and generally lower cost of living, better public transport etc. in many countries. In t…
A friend just left for a 70K
So to put that in perspective
I live my partner, and pay 600 for rent, warm for 120m2 The place was a dump when we moved in 10 years ago but we renovated it ourselves (a proper Grundsanierung) Shared expenses come to about 600 for my portion. We split expenses based on salary, so my partner contributes 400 as she earns less.
So from the 3k after tax, 1.2k is fixed expenses, 0.5k is fun, 1.3k is savings.
We just bought a plot of land north of Berlin with a few friends (again, cheaper! and more fun!) and am building a little off grid cabin with that spare time. Doing stuff like that with a group is just great. Its a break from this idea that it needs to be allll miiiiiiine! (evil villain voice), splits costs and splits workloads (you try mowing all that grass....)
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But that's all synchronous work - running courses, giving presentations, coaching people. If their objective is to only work 2 hours a day, the last thing they want is hours of meetings every day where your absence will be immediately noticed.
If the organisation is big enough and dysfunctional enough, your absence will not be noticed for long periods of time. Just make sure whenever you are seen you have the appearance of being in a huge rush.
Be still my heart
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#60> The software I build is useless. Isn't this up to you?
If you're a developer in a big/mid company (or a consultant regardless of company size) your input to the product will be minimum to non-existant. And even if it wasn't, maybe the problem at the base is something you don't believe is worth solving or being solved properly. I've worked on client projects where I think the project is an utter waste of time and money, and other times worked on promising projects but led…