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Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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Hey HN,

I'll probably get a lot of flak for this. Sorry.

I'm an average developer looking for ways to work as little as humanely possible.

The pandemic made me realize that I do not care about working anymore. The software I build is useless. Time flies real fast and I have to focus on my passions (which are not monetizable).

Unfortunately, I require shelter, calories and hobby materials. Thus the need for some kind of job.

Which leads me to ask my fellow tech workers, what kind of job (if any) do you think would fit the following requirements :

- No / very little involvement in the product itself (I do not care.)

- Fully remote (You can't do much when stuck in the office. Ideally being done in 2 hours in the morning then chilling would be perfect.)

- Low expectactions / vague job description.

- Salary can be on the lower side.

- No career advancement possibilities required. Only tech, I do not want to manage people.

- Can be about helping other developers, setting up infrastructure/deploy or pure data management since this is fun.

I think the only possible jobs would be some kind of backend-only dev or devops/sysadmin work. But I'm not sure these exist anymore, it seems like you always end up having to think about the product itself. Web dev jobs always required some involvement in the frontend.

Thanks for any advice (or hate, which I can't really blame you for).

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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post #3

Well, if you found a job that required a lot of repetitive manual tasks and you could write a little program or script and automate it (and not tell the company that you did so) you would suddenly find yourself with a lot of free time...

Someone here could just pick up a job as a clerk and then use AI and mturk to do all the work.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#5
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. I've actually tried to hire dispassionate people before.

One was an assembly line style UI job with no future - the API was solid, the UI was designed by someone else. It just needed someone who could glue the parts, and repeat the same job forever, with minor API updates every now and then.

Another was a teaching job. Beginner HTML/CSS/Node.js. Come in 35 hours a week, actual necessary work is 12 hours/week. It's probably a dead end job, but it's a cash cow. Some graduates managed to go from becoming Uber drivers to junior developers who made the same salary with little manual labor, so the job brought benefit to society.

There's too many passionate people in the industry who just won't take these kinds of jobs.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#6
I do kinda understand where you're coming from but I want to warn you against this approach.

These jobs you mention, they DO exist. But they break people and make them intensely miserable. Look into "boreout" (as opposed to burnout) to learn more about this.

You will be very happy for the first few months, being able to browse HN, news sites and Reddit all day while nobody cares about what you do, nobody wants your input, you've got no responsibilities other than pressing a button, writing a half-page report once a month and saying "yes" on the rare occasion someone asks you something in passing. But it will get old quick.

I've met people who have been in these kinds of jobs for decades and you can see it in their eyes. They are dead inside. I've even heard that in some large companies and cultures with strong workers' rights / labor laws this is actually used as a punishment: We can't fire you, so we'll just put you in a small, shabby, single office on the far end of the campus and give you nothing to do. Nobody will care that you exist and your existence will be pointless.

I do not believe that you can compensate for this 100% with private endeavours and hobbies as long as you still have to show up 8 hours a day (even remotely) and "be bored".

You can try it though, and report back how it went. Why not.

Jobs like this can be found in large, highly bureaucratic but ultimately not very important government organizations/agencies and mid to large enterprises, often in niche markets and the manufacturing sector where things can move pretty slowly.

However, to actually help you, I recommend you try the opposite: Get a high-paying job, slave for two three years, go all-in for 60+ hours a week if you have to. Only do this while you're young, no longer than 3 years. Save (and safely invest) every penny. And if you have enough money, stop immediately or phase it out over 1 year max. If you did it well enough, you'll have also built a network that will enable you to do the odd consulting gig on the side or get a more relaxing steady part-time job.

Alternatively, look into part-time office administration jobs, substitutes for people going on maternity leave etc. If you can use Word, Outlook and express yourself coherently, that will often be enough. Again, beware of the boreout.

Also, I'd really like to know what your passions are because practically all passions and hobbies can be monetized somehow (even a little). If you're into them so much that you want to do nothing else 24 hours a day, then surely you can find a way to monetize them. Even if you're into sleeping all day, there are ways to get paid for that ;-)

HTH

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

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post #3

Well, if you found a job that required a lot of repetitive manual tasks and you could write a little program or script and automate it (and not tell the company that you did so) you would suddenly find yourself with a lot of free time...

Someone here could just pick up a job as a clerk and then use AI and mturk to do all the work.

That has been tried and if (when) found out will get you worse than fired. Data entry and administrative paper-shuffling often involve highly sensitive data (e.g. medical) and you can put the whole company in jeopardy if you outsource this to mturk or similar parties outside the org.

Although I agree in principle that a lot of these jobs could greatly benefit from automation (or even just OCR and scanner).

If you have these skills, why not go to a big insurance company or a medical research organization, show off your AI and offer to "digitize" their workflow across the board? Could make big bucks off of that.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#8

I do kinda understand where you're coming from but I want to warn you against this approach. These jobs you mention, they DO exist. But they break people and make them intensely miserable. Look into "boreout" (as opposed to burnout) to learn more about this. You will be very happy for the first few months, being able to browse HN, news sites and Reddit all day while nobody cares about what you do, nobody wants your i…

I'm familiar with the 'boreout' you mention, and have experienced it in a previous job myself. However, I think it's a lot more manageable to get around that in a remote environment. Obviously it depends on the job and the amount of (micro)management, but there are definitely plenty of hobbies that I can think of that would still have me available and close to my desk so that I could appear online when necessary.

Re: Ask HN: What tech job would let me get away with the least real work possible?

#10

I do kinda understand where you're coming from but I want to warn you against this approach. These jobs you mention, they DO exist. But they break people and make them intensely miserable. Look into "boreout" (as opposed to burnout) to learn more about this. You will be very happy for the first few months, being able to browse HN, news sites and Reddit all day while nobody cares about what you do, nobody wants your i…

"practically all passions and hobbies can be monetized somehow (even a little)"

I disagree strongly. This is a dangerous advice. I've been watching this from the sidelines and yes, someone can get a trickle down that does not even buy you a cup of coffee. But revenue streams beyond that? Highly non-trivial, especially in the niche-hobbies (of which there seem to be an infinite amount of them). Not all things worth doing, are monetizable in my experience (or my experience is horribly skewed).

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