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Best to avoid using the “Have I been facebooked” website

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Re: Best to avoid using the “Have I been facebooked” website

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Well, it’s sending a sha256 for your phone number, how is this not good enough? How you would expect to check the number in the database without hashing or passing it clear?

There are better ways, that involve more computation on the client side.

For example, HIBP does not send your password (or its complete hash) to the backend in order to find if it has been previously exposed. They use this method: https://blog.cloudflare.com/validating-leaked-passwords-with...

Re: Best to avoid using the “Have I been facebooked” website

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It's kinda crazy how paranoid people have become around stuff like phone numbers. Even if this site were recording the numbers, what good is it?

Your phone number is a short unique identifier for you which follows you around for potentially your entire life, because the hassle of changing it is significant. I imagine marketers find it significantly more valuable than an email address.

Yeah, but simply knowing it isn’t all that useful. You need to control it.

Re: Best to avoid using the “Have I been facebooked” website

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It's kinda crazy how paranoid people have become around stuff like phone numbers. Even if this site were recording the numbers, what good is it?

Your phone number is a short unique identifier for you which follows you around for potentially your entire life, because the hassle of changing it is significant. I imagine marketers find it significantly more valuable than an email address.

Guess what? I already have your phone number. So do the marketers. And we have everybody else’s in the world as well!

Phone numbers are a small search space. You can just iterate through it to generate all possible phone numbers.

Of course, I don’t know that your phone number belongs to you, but I have it. The same applies to this site if you enter your phone number in it. They will have your phone number… so what? They don’t know it’s your phone number, just that it‘s a phone number, which has zero value.

If you search the web for your exact phone number, there’s a very good chance your phone number is on several “who called me?” websites already. How did they get your number? They didn’t. They just list every possible phone number and hope people will add comments saying who called them from that number.

What information are you actually disclosing here, given that the number itself is worthless?

That the phone number is associated with somebody who wants to know if it’s part of the Facebook breach? What value is that information / what are the risks associated with it? Scammers wouldn’t use it because anybody who is looking this information up is probably less likely than the average person to fall for a scam even when tailored to this breach. They’d probably get a better hit rate by excluding these numbers.

How about associating it with whatever information your browser leaks / whatever tracking they can add? Use private browsing / incognito to reduce that. What value is knowing that a person with an arbitrary phone number uses Chrome vs Safari? What value is knowing that a person with a phone number from a certain area is browsing from an IP address also located in that area?

All of the comments people have made about privacy here seem to be useless “oh my god, now they have your phone number!” panic that doesn’t seem to realise that a phone number in isolation is worthless. It’s possible that there are potential privacy problems here, but as far as I’ve seen, nobody has actually mentioned any.

Re: Best to avoid using the “Have I been facebooked” website

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So, the main point of this article to avoid that site, is that they could google SHA256 for a known simple number, namely "11111111111" and boom!, this way the site programmer would reverse back to know your number?

If that's the case I suggest he would google Bitcoin's SHA256 numbers too. Heck, at ~55k USD per bitcoin, he would become, literally, multimillionaire overnight. What a buffoon! And it hit HN top as well, pfff.

Re: Best to avoid using the “Have I been facebooked” website

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This post is ridiculous. Why does this crap keep making it to the front page?

Crap often makes it to the front page. If the immune system (flags and moderation) functions correctly, it doesn't remain there for long.

I'm not saying this article is crap -- just that if it is, you probably just happened to see it before the white blood cells kicked in.

Re: Best to avoid using the “Have I been facebooked” website

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It's kinda crazy how paranoid people have become around stuff like phone numbers. Even if this site were recording the numbers, what good is it?

I've encountered a surprising number of people who think that posting your email address publicly is a security risk.

It certainly will get you more emails. Even the unwanted kind.

Re: Best to avoid using the “Have I been facebooked” website

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It's kinda crazy how paranoid people have become around stuff like phone numbers. Even if this site were recording the numbers, what good is it?

Do you not get spam calls on your phone? Phone numbers that are put into this site are likely to be valid & active, making them valuable data to sell.

So I'm curious. I live in Japan and have a Japanese number. I have a USA number via Google Fi. I get several spam calls on the USA number but zero on the Japan number.

Any idea why? It it just luck? It is scammers don't target Japan? Is it some technical difference that makes it harder/impossible/costly in Japan? Is it an enforcement issue?

Also what happened / is happening with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STIR/SHAKEN ? Will it solve the issue?

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