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Re: I hope work from home continues

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I'll bite. Why did they take away the water?

Not OP, but usually "bottled" water is taken away for environmental reasons, replaced by filtered faucets, which are often non maintained and cleaned properly.

Wow, ok. To be clear, I'm a water bottle kind of person but telling adults they can't drink bottled water just seems disrespectful.

Re: I hope work from home continues

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I've come to hate being in my house, having worked from home for 3 years. My brain just associates it with work. I haven't got a very big house. I resent it so much I don't even have the will to do maintenance and repairs. I can't wait for on-site interviews to resume and find a job in an office. EDIT: I've never worked at a job/office as hellish as the post describes. Better office jobs than that exist.

unsolicited advice- please pertain work to a desk/ one place of the house, and not spread it to the entire house. This can help restrict resentment to that one spot and not your entire place.

Re: I hope work from home continues

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I think it depends on how you view your colleagues, and also on your working conditions and location. My entire company is remote (albeit with a small office in a co-working space a few local people sometimes use), and we have two week-long on-sites every year (recent times notwithstanding). There is no pressure to attend, but the entire company is always there (unless they have scheduling conflicts etc) - that says…

> I've made friends for life at this company. I've just said this earlier in another comment, but I've never had what I'd consider true friendships come out from work acquaintances. I just don't consider "I have fun with you sometimes" to be friendship, and there's exactly 0 people from all the places I've worked at I would feel comfortable say, calling at 3am if I ever felt depressed. That's friendship in my eyes, a…

I’ll give my counter-anecdote. I have made three close friends at work who I frequently talk to about relationship issues, etc, and would happily help them move a couch if they asked. One of them is currently my roommate. I’m 41, so these things can happen as an adult too. It might be different if I had my own family though.

Re: I hope work from home continues

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I can almost hear his "Our Incredible Journey" post already.

IIUC, you're saying that the GP's approach is a recipe for failure. Can you elaborate?

In a nutshell, the problem with the "family approach" is how it puts a very powerful tool into the hands of one's employer they can hold against you: your committal, loyalty or even reliance on others in the same situation. Should you ever want to switch places, you will likely have to rebuild your circle of friends, as they often do not take kindly to people "leaving the family" or simply lose contact due to no longer sharing anything big in common.

Similar things tend to happen when one has a circle of "friends" related to a physical activity: when they stop or change clubs, they often lose most of those "friends", as often the only thread holding things together is a shared activity and location.

At least by recognizing this, people can opt to not put all their eggs in one basket, which lessens any potential loss. Also, it allows them to look at different ways to establish friendships, in a way they can withstand more changes. Finally, there is no third party (the employer) that can use a potential insecurity against them (e.g. less financial growth because Bob is so afraid of rebuilding his circle of friends, he'll accept a stellar performance netting him 1% wage growth).

And as others point out: forced participation into social activities is not something everyone is favorable towards.

Re: I hope work from home continues

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Although mildly off topic I found this interesting tidbit on their sustainability page [0]: > Since our company consists of a distributed workforce, the majority of our employees work remotely from home, reducing the need to commute daily to a central workplace, and greenhouse gas emissions as a result. Employees at Automattic are invited to share the distance of their previous commute. On this basis we are able to c…

I think something to say about remote-but-local companies. Close enough to travel to a central location every few weeks/month, but far enough to let people live in cheaper, larger housing you wouldn't find within 10 miles of a city office. Like, look at London. Mega house prices in the city, but they peter out pretty quickly once you cross the M25 and you start hitting semi-rural areas.

Yeah, I like that. I think having an office with flexibility to be there anywhere from occasionally to every day is a good thing.

There are also people who don't work well remotely, especially if the salaries don't increase enough to rent a big enough apartment with decent lighting, or if the employee has children who constantly distract them, among others.

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> running on fumes I think management people are likely running on fumes … it's like the inverse of what introverts feel when they have to be in-office 5 days a week I suspect. I'd add that the second take is also kind of outmoded, in that it assumes that mentorship, friendship, business opportunities must flow through your company. I've actually found more of this during the pandemic, and apart from my company … Tru…

It's not (mainly) about introverts vs extroverts, it's about high status vs low status. I guess not having your ass kissed daily must feel like "running on fumes".

Fair. My comment did imply that managers / those who feel "drained" by remote working are extroverts, which may be untrue.

On that: I think extroverts can tend to derive value from external factors, which may make them more hungry for praise (especially public).

(Edited because earlier version was murky)

Re: I hope work from home continues

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> And for the social aspect, weekend or week-long dev retreats are ideal. As much as I appreciate (most of) my coworkers, on nights and weekends I want to close my computer and spend quality time with my family, not see and talk to the same people I am already forced to talk to 35-40h a week. They might be ideal to you, but you're assuming quite a lot about everyone's situations if you think they work for everyone.

I think it depends on how you view your colleagues, and also on your working conditions and location. My entire company is remote (albeit with a small office in a co-working space a few local people sometimes use), and we have two week-long on-sites every year (recent times notwithstanding). There is no pressure to attend, but the entire company is always there (unless they have scheduling conflicts etc) - that says…

My company has offices in the neighboring countries and we travelled often to the branches abroad. The teams are very close because we frequently work together.

Having guests in the company was always an excuse to do fun stuff. Like driving one weekend to a beach/volcano in one country, planning to go to the movies in another one, and lots of tasty food. We could expense the food so we only paid for a bit of extra gas or extra bus tickets with our pocket.

As a perk we have full kitchens in our offices, and a couple of times a week we cooked lunch together with the foodie/cook ones. It was usually tastier than buying food nearby. And it was fun to learn about each country's home cooking style.

I miss that and hanging out and sight seeing with coworkers on weekends or after work... The daily commute to the local office not so much.

Re: I hope work from home continues

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OK so, we of the tech/startup/modern white collar world don't tend to think of these as "labour issues." Besides money, the big returning theme in modern labour "complaints" is autonomy. A similar thought occurs to me when the old "open office plans" debate flares up on HN. It's a labour issue. An autonomy issue. People want a work environment that they like more, and no one has an interest in the goodness of an offi…

How do I differentiate

Re: I hope work from home continues

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I've come to hate being in my house, having worked from home for 3 years. My brain just associates it with work. I haven't got a very big house. I resent it so much I don't even have the will to do maintenance and repairs. I can't wait for on-site interviews to resume and find a job in an office. EDIT: I've never worked at a job/office as hellish as the post describes. Better office jobs than that exist.

unsolicited advice- please pertain work to a desk/ one place of the house, and not spread it to the entire house. This can help restrict resentment to that one spot and not your entire place.

That’s exactly what I do but I still associate the entire house with work. Having a small house doesn’t help :/

Re: I hope work from home continues

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Wow, the author has a pretty miserable company :(. That said, I share most of the opinions even though I quite like the office environment of my company. I abso-fking-love choosing where I work (and to some degree, when). Being able to take my laptop and go sit under a canopy in my back yard when the weather is nice, seeing my rabbits hopping around the yard, my cats avoiding the aggressive she-rabbit, hearing the bi…

I'm thrown by people working on a laptop. Do you have a battery powered second screen? Is there some workflow tips I should adopt to make it work better? I'm quite jealous of people who can work on laptops. I wonder the degree to which people enjoy WFH is the same as the degree to which they enjoy working on a laptop. Even the people I know with a dedicated room for work set up want to go back to the office if they p…

Well, I enjoy WFH (mostly) but a laptop alone isn't great. At home I use a corner desk, two monitors, two phones and three laptops (one testing, one does light compiling and vpn duties).

There's no way I'd be allowed this much equipment and space in the office. I had a nice-ish 27' monitor there and a small desk crammed next to another developer.

As much as I miss the social aspects of an office, WFH has a lot of benefits. I realize this is not true for many, and a lot of my own money went into the office of my dreams here. But it's quite comfortable.

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