RIP. It was a strong contender for a while before Kube matured.
Apache Mesos to be moved to Attic
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#22I wonder what recent large-scale adopters of Mesos are going to do. I know Dropbox deployed Mesos in the last year or so[1], even though it was pretty obvious that the project community was dead. Will the existing users found a new community?
https://www.amd.com/system/files/documents/new-epyc-case-stu...
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#23I went to see Mesos early in their life in their San Francisco office after a joint customer put us in touch.
Never in my life did I meet such an arrogant group of people.
First, they left us waiting in reception for an hour.
They eventually took the meeting over lunch, where we had to watch them inhaling their free food.
Some guy in plastic-leather trousers spent most of the hour lecturing us about all of the multi million deals they were doing, and how they weren't interested in speaking with anyone who couldn't write 7 figure checks.
Not once did they ask about our business or even our names if I remember correctly.
I had a similar experience with other west coast tech companies. Too arrogant for their own good and not able to put in the hard yards with stodgy old enterprise companies even when they have good technology and are early to market.
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#24I went to see Mesos early in their life in their San Francisco office after a joint customer put us in touch. Never in my life did I meet such an arrogant group of people. First, they left us waiting in reception for an hour. They eventually took the meeting over lunch, where we had to watch them inhaling their free food. Some guy in plastic-leather trousers spent most of the hour lecturing us about all of the multi…
You're thinking of Mesosphere, a separate company building a product on top of Mesos.
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#25I remember at MesosCon, Apple said they are the largest Mesos user. I wonder if they also moved to K8s as well.
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#26Mesos made a ton of new contributions to distributed resource management. Resource offers and application integration can allow high cluster utilization and efficiency. Giving applications the opportunity to take part in resource allocation and scheduling was similar to the Exokernel design, and led to many interesting middleware architectures. Mesos also introduced Dominant Resource Fairness for allocating resources…
Are there examples of high-utilization, large-scale Mesos deployments? Mesos didn't even gain over-commit until 2015, so it seems like it was generally behind the state of the art.
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#27The framework-based scheduler architecture looked like an interesting concept at first sight. But its advantage (write your custom scheduling policy, along with gaining scalability) evidently wasn't that important to make up for the effort of actually having to write your own framework to run anything. (In this regard its a bit like object storage as a file system replacement narrative, which promises scalability, if you adapt your application).
This seems to be true both for the Omega experiments at Google (which I assume still uses Borg), and for Mesos. In the end, Mesos always lacked even a minimal application deployment story. Marathon unfortunateley never got beyond being a shiny UI with a primitive application model and a hacky API.
I think if Mesos(-sphere) had recognized that gap in time, and came up with a decent framework for application deployments, instead of telling everyone to write their own framework (in C++, against a hacky code base), Kubernetes might not have had a chance, or at least we would have two alternatives to chose from. Too bad.
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#28I went to see Mesos early in their life in their San Francisco office after a joint customer put us in touch. Never in my life did I meet such an arrogant group of people. First, they left us waiting in reception for an hour. They eventually took the meeting over lunch, where we had to watch them inhaling their free food. Some guy in plastic-leather trousers spent most of the hour lecturing us about all of the multi…
You're thinking of Mesosphere, a separate company building a product on top of Mesos.
True. As the major corporate sponsor though they didn’t give it the best chance.
I ran one of the first Docker partners and saw first hand how both Mesos and Docker Inc had considerable mindset and interest from large enterprises for a year or so before Kubernetes matured.
They both spectacularly failed to deliver through arrogance and bad execution.
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#29I used Mesos for a few years before experiencing Kubernetes. As neat as Mesos was, it was doomed from the start. For one, Kubernetes was, at least to some extent, a rewrite and extraction of functionality built at Google, from their production orchestration ecosystem that is Borg. The fact that Kubernetes was heavily influenced by a successful, large solution in this space allowed it to leapfrog, at least a bit, the…
A challenge with Mesos is that Mesos was a piece of technology, a framework at most, instead of a product. When I was using Mesos, the selling point was flexible and efficient resource scheduling. Unfortunately, resource/machine efficiency alone does not sell well, as most of the companies and individuals have betters things to worry about, say, productivity.
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#30End of an era... Are there any viable alternatives to Kubernetes and Nomad?