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Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

xiii1408 wrote: post #61
rvz wrote: post #22

> 100% of the payment will go to the creator ... Clubhouse will take nothing. Well imagine if they had an Android app in the first place or earlier right before all the big players started copying them, then it would have been attractive to the users. Right now, what is the point if the invite system is still there. Another platform can just announce the same thing and they are back to square zero. > We are excited t…

> Yet, with no Android app and an increasing amount of competitors copying the hell out of Clubhouse, I can only see this going in the way of Meerkat, Yik Yak and Periscope. (By being shut down) We'll of course have to wait and see, but I don't imagine that Clubhouse will be entirely displaced. What's unique about Clubhouse is not the concept of a Clubhouse room itself, which is essentially a Discord channel with bas…

I’ve found the total opposite. Most things I’ve listened to have eventually turned into a sales pitch. It’s almost like clubhouse is infomercials with listeners calling in.

And then there’s the avalanche of notification spam..,

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by ryanSrich »

manigandham wrote: post #94

What a strange app. Are people really that amazed by conference calls? It seems the entire play right now is exclusivity, not product.

It's more like a live podcasting platform. I joined and gave it an honest shot, but I just don't have time to sit and listen to people ramble. The 1-2 hours per day I do have need to be spent listening to something purposeful and produced, like an actual podcast or audiobook.

I also think CH is very limited in the content it provides. At least that's my estimation after using the app for a few months. Either the algorithm is failing at showing me content I care about, or the platform is failing at attracting content I care about. Either way, the people I follow don't produce content, and I don't produce content, so the content I receive is mostly horrendous garbage.

Having said that, I could see content selection improving once CH finally gives up the invite gimmick. Something like a moderated panel of experts talking live with audience participation _sounds_ interesting, but the experts have to be experts and they have to interesting. How people can listen to celebrities or random nobodies ramble for hours on end about nothing is beyond me, but that's like 99% of the content I see currently on CH.

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by ryanSrich »

aqouta wrote: post #133
manigandham wrote: post #94

What a strange app. Are people really that amazed by conference calls? It seems the entire play right now is exclusivity, not product.

It really is strange, I can only credit its success so far to the fact that it's tapping into people's primal urge to be able to literally shout down the opposition instead of just metaphorically shout them down. I don't know why anyone would find the format of being forced to debate on the spot better than having the time to construct posts at your leisure. Every clip or story I've heard/seen come out of the app has…

It's very early success (first 6 months) was because of VC hype [1]. You couldn't go anywhere online without hearing how Clubhouse is the next big SV social media bet. I'm guessing a lot of that hype has died down as users find out the app really isn't that useful.

1. You do know CH is valued at $1bn? I mean, the absolute insanity of this can't be understated. Their success is entirely manufactured https://pitchbook.com/newsletter/clubhouse-picks-up-new-fund...

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Post by ryanSrich »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #131
azinman2 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a conference call. It's a moderated panel, and they have many famous / interesting people participating on their platform.

So it's an un-edited Podcast you can only listen to live? Or I guess if you're closer to my age, it's like a radio station you can't listen to without a password?

> without a password

Without a super secret invite!

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by [deleted] »

rvz wrote: post #22

> 100% of the payment will go to the creator ... Clubhouse will take nothing. Well imagine if they had an Android app in the first place or earlier right before all the big players started copying them, then it would have been attractive to the users. Right now, what is the point if the invite system is still there. Another platform can just announce the same thing and they are back to square zero. > We are excited t…

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Re: Clubhouse Payments

#166

Post by ryanSrich »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #62
paxys wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would think they need to grow user count as quickly as possible (like all other VC funded startups), but the fact that they don't have a web app, don't have an Android app and don't have open signups on iOS leaves me very confused about their entire strategy. Is Clubhouse just being pushed by VCs and other tech celebrities as their personal soapbox, or does it have potential to be something beyond that?

From my perspective it started getting pushed as soon as they raised from Andreesen at a $100M valuation. It seems like a massive moonshot fueled by hype and VC money. No clue what the big vision is though.

> $100M valuation

For others reading, they recently raised from a16z at a $1 _billion_ dollar valuation. [1]

That comes less than a year after they raised $10m at a $100m valuation from a16z. [2]

1. https://pitchbook.com/newsletter/clubhouse-picks-up-new-fund...

2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2020/05/15/andreesse...

Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by ec109685 »

hbosch wrote: post #71
paxys wrote: post #50

Very interesting that they chose to go with a tipping model vs letting creators set up "pay to enter" chat rooms. That would be a lot more useful for the way I normally see the product used. I guess this was just the easiest lift from the technical side (not too much work beyond copy pasting some Stripe sample code). Although if it's just a matter of P2P money transfer for tips/donations then I'd rather use something…

>Very interesting that they chose to go with a tipping model vs letting creators set up "pay to enter" chat rooms. I believe the only way around Apple requesting a cut of the payment is to explicitly avoid any notion of "unlocking" extras or access within the app. The tipping method is just a way for users to send money to each other, no biggie... but "unlocking a room" is basically an IAP, or could be defined as one…

Yeah, good point. Here are the explicit guidelines: 3.1.3(d) Person-to-Person Services: If your app enables the purchase of realtime person-to-person services between two individuals (for example tutoring students, medical consultations, real estate tours, or fitness training), you may use purchase methods other than in-app purchase to collect those payments. One-to-few and one-to-many realtime services must use in-app purchase.

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Post by [deleted] »

skinnymuch wrote: post #78
hbosch wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Very interesting that they chose to go with a tipping model vs letting creators set up "pay to enter" chat rooms. I believe the only way around Apple requesting a cut of the payment is to explicitly avoid any notion of "unlocking" extras or access within the app. The tipping method is just a way for users to send money to each other, no biggie... but "unlocking a room" is basically an IAP, or could be defined as one…

Patreon doesn’t give a cut to Apple. It isn’t that far from what is described.

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Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by [deleted] »

mwilcox wrote: post #96
asimjalis wrote: post #93

I don’t understand why they are not keeping a larger percentage for themselves. 1/ This concerns me because I worry that clubhouse will not be sustainable. 2/ What is the incentive for them long-term to maintain this payment framework as well as to curate their network?

I think because then they have to give 30% to Apple

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Re: Clubhouse Payments

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Post by azinman2 »

jsemrau wrote: post #145
azinman2 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a conference call. It's a moderated panel, and they have many famous / interesting people participating on their platform.

Not sure why this is getting downvoted. The main success factor for Clubhouse is the social graph. It is entirely possible to have access to people like Paris Hilton, Anthony Scaramucci, or MC Hammer among other notable people.

It’s strange to me that both you and I are getting downvoted… probably from people who haven’t actually used it? If you do, then it’s obvious how it’s not a conference call at all. It’s a panel that you might be able to participate in, which isn’t the same thing at all. Anyone can talk whenever they want on a conference call. The moderator chooses who talks in clubhouse.
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