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Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Post by d_tr »

Someone1234 wrote: post #14

So I went to their "Debunking False Accusations" page, then clicked through and read the email ("Email #2"), then returned to the page. It feels like they set up a bunch of straw-men which they then went on to debunk. They don't actually defend the content of "Email #2" but instead claimed that people said untrue things about it and then said those were "lies." But without citing the untrue claims they're debunking,…

Also, he is apparently transphobic because of an article he wrote on pronouns. At least admit that this is ridiculous. The misogyny and ableism claims are similarly stupid, but who cares?

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Post by bitwize »

unethical_ban wrote: post #26

So this is literally a website dedicated to defending the character of a major figure in the open-source world, and it gets flagged. This is HN - people should be able to make their own judgement on the content of the site and discuss it here.

When the topic comes up on /r/linux, the thread gets locked because no fruitful discussion can come of "He wasn't that bad!"/"Yes he was!"/"No, he wasn't!" ad nauseam.

That's why the flaggings happen here, too.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Post by emilyst »

tenaciousDaniel wrote: post #11
wrycoder wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember “tender hugs” being quite the thing in the last quarter of the 20th century. What else is notable about his card?

I'm really trying to understand the issue with the card itself, but the tweet has no further context. Did he only give these out to women? Were they given with other social cues that would indicate he was handing them out as a way to hit on or make a sexual advance towards women? If either of those things are true then I'd understand. But the cards alone look like a business card from a person with a slightly odd sen…

He made people uncomfortable. He was asked to stop. He was reported. He kept doing it.

So it's not a "slightly odd sense of humor." It's not humor if no one laughs. If someone tells me something makes them uncomfortable, I stop it.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Post by myhf »

d_tr wrote: post #41
Someone1234 wrote: post #14

So I went to their "Debunking False Accusations" page, then clicked through and read the email ("Email #2"), then returned to the page. It feels like they set up a bunch of straw-men which they then went on to debunk. They don't actually defend the content of "Email #2" but instead claimed that people said untrue things about it and then said those were "lies." But without citing the untrue claims they're debunking,…

Also, he is apparently transphobic because of an article he wrote on pronouns. At least admit that this is ridiculous. The misogyny and ableism claims are similarly stupid, but who cares?

It's truly astonishing how something as innocuous as writing bigoted articles can get someone labeled as a bigot. emoji face with rolling eyes

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Post by unethical_ban »

bitwize wrote: post #42
unethical_ban wrote: post #26

So this is literally a website dedicated to defending the character of a major figure in the open-source world, and it gets flagged. This is HN - people should be able to make their own judgement on the content of the site and discuss it here.

When the topic comes up on /r/linux, the thread gets locked because no fruitful discussion can come of "He wasn't that bad!"/"Yes he was!"/"No, he wasn't!" ad nauseam. That's why the flaggings happen here, too.

Not attacking you, but that line of defense would play a lot better if they didn't allow any discussion of the FSF board or Stallman at all. They have, however, allowed other strong opinions on the site before.

It just feels.. eh.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Post by nl »

Someone1234 wrote: post #14

So I went to their "Debunking False Accusations" page, then clicked through and read the email ("Email #2"), then returned to the page. It feels like they set up a bunch of straw-men which they then went on to debunk. They don't actually defend the content of "Email #2" but instead claimed that people said untrue things about it and then said those were "lies." But without citing the untrue claims they're debunking,…

And much of the “defence” seems to be based on the idea that Stallman needs his word interpreted specially because of something else he said years earlier or because he was emotional.

It’s a lot of words that are likely to sound convincing to those who already believe he didn’t do anything wrong, but to most people seem to be just a list of excuses.

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Post by d_tr »

myhf wrote: post #45
d_tr wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, he is apparently transphobic because of an article he wrote on pronouns. At least admit that this is ridiculous. The misogyny and ableism claims are similarly stupid, but who cares?

It's truly astonishing how something as innocuous as writing bigoted articles can get someone labeled as a bigot. emoji face with rolling eyes

People that consider the pronouns article transphobic are barking up the wrong tree, and should have a chat with themselves or seek professional help. Transphobia is transphobia and BS is BS.

Maybe Red Hat's management cares more about unfairly treated groups of people than RMS does though, makes sense....

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Post by amanzi »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #18
radmuzom wrote: post #12

Personal story - I was the person who used to get angry and outraged whenever these stories of harassment were published, taking a stance which was pro the supposed victim. Independently, I used to be a huge fan of Stallman and read a lot of his writings as well as what others wrote about him. So when the story first broke out in 2019, my first reaction was "This is simply not possible." Of course, upon researching f…

I just wonder why he hasn't updated or amended his website, https://www.google.com/search?q=pedophile+site%3Astallman.or...

That doesn't appear to be his style. And even if he did update or amend old posts, there would still be archives and copies floating around that people could refer to if they felt the need.

He has changed his views on some topics over the years, including this: https://stallman.org/archives/2019-sep-dec.html#14_September...

Re: In Support of Richard Stallman

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Post by senectus1 »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #18
radmuzom wrote: post #12

Personal story - I was the person who used to get angry and outraged whenever these stories of harassment were published, taking a stance which was pro the supposed victim. Independently, I used to be a huge fan of Stallman and read a lot of his writings as well as what others wrote about him. So when the story first broke out in 2019, my first reaction was "This is simply not possible." Of course, upon researching f…

I just wonder why he hasn't updated or amended his website, https://www.google.com/search?q=pedophile+site%3Astallman.or...

Probably for the same reason he hasn't amended his website to include a denial of wife beating: https://www.google.com/search?q=wife+beating+site%3Astallman...
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