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Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by 1123581321 »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #85
1123581321 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The trouble with that is that the old tweets from an immature brain are amplified beyond their original context, intentionally, so that they hurt a lot of people, and then a punishment is applied as if the author had just deliberately blasted the world with their remark yesterday. People are using the private conversation analogy because so many teens just meant to write to a few friends or use it as a sort of diary.…

Yours and so many other posts here seem like an argument for now allowing children to use these kinds of services. It also sounds like parenting needs to take into account this new reality. To the extent that it applies in my household I know my wife and I are.

I’m neutral on a legal intervention but I certainly agree parents should heavily educate and be restrictive until enough has sunk in. We do similarly with our family.

My main concern here is to explain why a young person’s use should not be treated like the use of a sophisticated social media user who is older and more mature.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by gorkish »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #90
gorkish wrote: post #25

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I really fail to see how these laws should or could realistically apply to information that is published publicly. It's reasonable to expect they have something to say about the expectations and rights that a user of a platform ought to be entitled to in their interaction with that platform. However it's rather another thing to follow that this permission should extend to anybody who legally can copy or retain that i…

>This is akin to saying that an author could reasonably "unpublish" an article or a book because they somehow retain the ability to control dissemination of every copy of thier work in perpetuity No, it is not the same. An author of a published book has intention to share it with the public and understands how the system works: you would not expect from this person to make any assumptions about the right to recall al…

> An author of a post in social media may not recognize the fact, that the actual audience is beyond what he or she expected and that he or she is not in control of the access to this publication.

I agree with you wholeheartedly were we discussing Facebook or any number of platforms that give the user the ability to restrict the audience to something that is not-quite-public and not-quite-private. However outside of DMs everything on Twitter is explicitly public.

I see the point of desiring some ability to have an "open but private" conversation online, but again I really don't think it applies to Twitter as it currently exists. There are a lot of inequivalences when trying to apply the aspects you describe from the real world onto the online forum, not the least of which is the expectation of privacy when posting a public tweet has been explicitly waived.

Should something like this exist? Sure, why not? For many of us oldschool geeks, IRC was kind of like this, but modern replacements like Discord and Slack take a completely contrarian view and probably couldn't succeed otherwise. Humans are still very much in the infancy of what it means to extend society into cyberspace, and the end result is increasingly looking like it's not going to be the way any of us pictured it.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by miduil »

This makes it really easy to retrieve all previous tweets for certain accounts just by accessing this URL:

https://web.archive.org/web/%2A/https://twitter.com/colorofb...

What's kind of worrying is also that most people who retrieve the artifacts are bots, so clearly becomes an important data source for others.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by bityard »

In 2021, I am a little surprised and amused to see so many people who seem to be shocked (shocked!) that the things they post on the Internet might get archived forever. Especially on HN, where technological literacy tends to be a at least a little bit higher than than the average tweeter.

Even back in the early days, it was a common-sense rule of thumb that you never put something on the Internet that you wouldn't want written in the newspaper about you, even in "private" forums such as IRC channels and email. Let alone something as public as twitter.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by ASalazarMX »

dustinmoris wrote: post #70
tw04 wrote: post #35

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But they aren't and won't ever be, and people should stop treating them like they are. It's no different than going to your local public square full of 200 people holding camcorders, and making a bunch of stupid statements. Did we all do stupid stuff when we were younger: absolutely. Would I want the entire world to see what I did as a teenager and judge me for it? Absolutely not. Which is EXACTLY why I personally th…

> It's no different than going to your local public square full of 200 people holding camcorders, and making a bunch of stupid statements. I'm afraid it really isn't the same at all. Even when I was 25 I did stupid things. I would get drunk in a night club, like everyone else in my age, and on our way home we might have a piss in the middle of a big public square at 4am because we were drunk and stupid. Does that mea…

They're doing public things, regardless of their feelings. They could publish with more privacy if they wanted, but there's always the desire of winning the five minutes of fame lottery.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by mdoms »

EvanAnderson wrote: post #26
mdoms wrote: post #22

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This is an incredibly toxic way to think about conversation.

Thinking before I speak and having consideration for how my words might be interpreted in the future is "toxic"? Words you say to others have consequences. It makes sense to take that into consideration. That seems pragmatic and polite to me.

It makes me sad just to think about a world where every pub conversation and class discussion I've ever had was archived for posterity. That sounds like misery to me.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by zorpner »

elric wrote: post #81

A couple of years ago, I discovered that archive.org had archived an ancient (1998ish) personal web page of mine. Back when the internet was a smaller, safer and simpler place. It contained a bunch of personally identifiable information, including a phone number and an address. It took me months to have it removed from their archive. They are extremely (deliberately?) slow to respond to emails. They ignore EU law (ri…

> The domain no longer exists, and my registrar doesn't keep records older than 10 years because of GDPR, so I couldn't use that as a way to prove the page was actually mine.

Wait, are you complaining that they wouldn't take down a page immediately upon your request with no proof that it actually belonged to you?

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by PastaMonster »

offtop5 wrote: post #23
scandox wrote: post #15

Never tweet. It may be meant ironically but it's a really excellent piece of advice to keep in mind, even as you do in fact tweet.

Well said, I stopped using Reddit and Twitter because I realized a few things. First arguing with other angry people all day has never accomplished anything. Second no matter what you say, in 10 or 20 years it might be absurdly offensive and that can destroy your entire life. The dumbest thing you ever said at 19 is a part of your identity even when you're 42. But that only applies to the internet. If I said somethin…

None of my social media accounts can be used to identify me. Even when young and stupid I never used my real name on any account. If you're not educated and smart enough to realize what internet is and to protect yourself well then you really shouldn't be on internet. I can't fathom why people connect their social media accounts to their real identity. Is it some kind of ego/narcissism thing? I've never felt the need to make sure my real identity gets credit for doing good things like helping people going through stuff to being a developer member on open source projects.

It would be interesting if someone researched that need. Would be a good addition to OPSEC education.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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Post by chocolateboy »

gentleman11 wrote: post #100
paxys wrote: post #87

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HN isn't just for discussing "legitimate news sources" (whatever that even means). People can post anything they want from any source.

You can’t say anything of substance in 280 characters, or find room to cite references. It’s just a bunch of disembodied statements meant to go viral to build peoples followings or get people mad, with no meaningful discussion back and forth (for the same reasons). Maybe I’m just getting old, but Twitter seems like a bad way to get and share information, even without the random bans. Apologies if I just haven’t seen…

> You can’t say anything of substance in 280 characters

Your preceding comment is 247 characters.

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