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Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

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post #33

Datasets like these feel like a recording of every conversation in a coffee shop: technically public, but practically private for the most part. Feels super gross to see.

How has Twitter ever been "practically private"? We're talking about tweets-- not direct messages.

If 10 people follow you, then you are talking with family, not broadcasting to a nation, in practice. The audience can change when years pass.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

#52

Of course this will get weaponized, if it isn't already. We've seen time and time again that a vile old tweet in the wrong hands can be very powerful, it's a ticking time bomb. Think 5 or even 10+ years down the road, some of the kids who are edgy on twitter today might go in to politics or hold some other high level position. I don't think the current climate is going to cool down anytime soon, but maybe something l…

I suspect that as a larger and larger percent of the population has a cringey internet past to look back on, the power of old tweets will fade somewhat. It'll take a while though, and of course depends on how vile the past actions are.

I wish I held that view.

My view is that the majority of people will self-censoring and be too afraid of saying anything remotely controversial.

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#54
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is an incredibly toxic way to think about conversation.

Thinking before I speak and having consideration for how my words might be interpreted in the future is "toxic"? Words you say to others have consequences. It makes sense to take that into consideration. That seems pragmatic and polite to me.

Everyone is triggered by different things. Your bureaucratic style "words have consequences" sends shivers down the spines of many people who grew up in the Eastern block.

We know the language that precedes cancellations by now.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

#56
post #2

Honestly, I wish tweets were treated like verbal exchanges more than written. Not everything that is said needs to be recorded for perpetuity. If a politician or someone powerful tweets, then sure it might be in someone's interest to record it. Good luck to them. But unless you're someone that people really care about - it should be fine to just delete your tweet for good. If that means something problematic was twee…

Perhaps, but is it really all that surprising that something not merely said but broadcast to the entire world is remembered in perpetuity?

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

#57

Of course this will get weaponized, if it isn't already. We've seen time and time again that a vile old tweet in the wrong hands can be very powerful, it's a ticking time bomb. Think 5 or even 10+ years down the road, some of the kids who are edgy on twitter today might go in to politics or hold some other high level position. I don't think the current climate is going to cool down anytime soon, but maybe something l…

High level position? What about automated scrapers and personality algorithms selling profiles to your future employers and insurance companies 20 years later? “This person used to swear a lot, which means they are more likely to be hiding that is concerned about.” In the gig economy, everyone is a brand that has to be built up and that can be torn down

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

#58
post #20

To clarify: Archive Team IS NOT Archive.org. Archive team is a loose collection of volunteers, you can learn more and help out at https://archiveteam.org or by joining their channel on IRC.

Thanks—we've changed the title above to that of the page.

Submitted title was "Archive.org is archiving every tweet". The word "smattering" implies much less than "every". What's the actual situation?

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

#59

Of course this will get weaponized, if it isn't already. We've seen time and time again that a vile old tweet in the wrong hands can be very powerful, it's a ticking time bomb. Think 5 or even 10+ years down the road, some of the kids who are edgy on twitter today might go in to politics or hold some other high level position. I don't think the current climate is going to cool down anytime soon, but maybe something l…

On the bright side it will be an interesting way to analyze how people's views change over time, seeing how they tweet over a long period. Note that the same tool that can condemn a person can also exonerate them: if they were once upon a time filled with hate an ignorance, and then over time changed, you can show this path convincingly with a full tweet history. But yeah I hope the power to quote out of context to hurt people fades, and quickly.

Re: Archive Team: A Smattering of Tweets

#60

Is this really necessary? People need to be careful what they post online, but come on. Do they really need to archive every tweet? Seems like they are taking their mission too far. Archiving every post from Usenet dating channels from 20+ years, every tweet, etc. Seems a bit excessive at this point. This also can’t help with the social cooling.

Whether or not every tweet in existence should be archived is irrelevant. The fact is they can be, so they should be treated as though they will be.

Saying "no please don't" will never stop something that is technologically possible from happening. Murphy's law applies here and everywhere in tech (and frankly, in most areas of life).

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