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LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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Post by als0 »

puritanicdev wrote: post #274
ksec wrote: post #156

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On a global level, 1. LG are crap at discovery ( Sales and Marketing ) and distribution. Something which despite HN is a forum from VC and Startup, pays very little attention to. 2. LG's phone QA were never really as good. This has been the case since pre-Smartphone era. 3. LG WOLED, something they tried to get it work on Smartphone but never worked and their AMOLED panel were inferior, which sort of have a knock on…

> LG's phone QA were never really as good. They are still abysmal to work with. I'm working on a webOS TV app and some of the updates require their certification, and their QA team is unbelievable...

Wow. If you can share, what particular aspects require their certification?

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

trabant00 wrote: post #116
ohazi wrote: post #66

I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on. Samsung always wanted to do things their way -- different (shitty) UI, Samsung versions of all the core Google apps (but worse), reorganizing preferences for no reason, the stupid bottom button placement, non-remappable Bixby button, aggressively killing apps for power management and breaking widgets, etc…

Because at large people don't select their phone based on what you mention. What does matter I believe is marketing. I think most importantly is Samsung's image presence vs LG. Can't remember the last time I've seen a TV advert for LG. Or a billboard in the city center, or youtube hype from influencers, etc. While Samsung is everywhere. Second is the cool factor. LG has none while Samsung have this as a priority. Fro…

What does matter I believe is marketing.

"It's just marketing" is an age old refrain from tech people. As a group, we still haven't figured out that marketing works and matters. Nor have we figured out the kinds of features that lead successful products.

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Post by benhurmarcel »

ungzd wrote: post #262
f6v wrote: post #186

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It’s not like a battery is soldered there, you can still replace it and it’ll cost you much less than getting a new phone. AFAIK I can still get a new battery on my iPhone 7 which is 4.5 years old.

Replacing iPhone battery feels like reassembling a mechanical watch. It isn’t soldered, but it’s glued in weird way requiring applying heat. To change battery, you have to disconnect 4-5 tiniest connectors, looking like LPT for fleas, extremely fragile. https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+12+Battery+Replacement/1... And you just can’t buy original battery, they’re available only to selected service centres.

Changing the battery is an operation that you likely only do once in the phone's lifetime. It doesn't make sense to have design constraints just to make that operation super-quick.

Currently it takes an hour at most to do at any repair shop. It's good enough. What matters is that it's possible for a reasonable price.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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Post by Ensorceled »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #292
trabant00 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because at large people don't select their phone based on what you mention. What does matter I believe is marketing. I think most importantly is Samsung's image presence vs LG. Can't remember the last time I've seen a TV advert for LG. Or a billboard in the city center, or youtube hype from influencers, etc. While Samsung is everywhere. Second is the cool factor. LG has none while Samsung have this as a priority. Fro…

What does matter I believe is marketing. "It's just marketing" is an age old refrain from tech people. As a group, we still haven't figured out that marketing works and matters. Nor have we figured out the kinds of features that lead successful products.

Oh, we’ve figured it out, we just don’t like it.

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Post by moreati »

sanxiyn wrote: post #121
trabant00 wrote: post #116

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Because at large people don't select their phone based on what you mention. What does matter I believe is marketing. I think most importantly is Samsung's image presence vs LG. Can't remember the last time I've seen a TV advert for LG. Or a billboard in the city center, or youtube hype from influencers, etc. While Samsung is everywhere. Second is the cool factor. LG has none while Samsung have this as a priority. Fro…

There seems to be large regional variance. I live in South Korea, LG definitely advertised a lot. I recommended LG phones to a lot of people who asked me, and no one complained. Edit: For example, people love LG's KnockON feature.

For others wondering about KnockON

> With Knock ON you can set the phone to turn the screen on by quickly double-tapping the screen. Double-tap an empty area in the Home screen, Status Bar, or Lock screen to turn the screen off.

-- https://www.lg.com/us/support/help-library/lg-android-knock-...

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Post by pjmlp »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #159
pjmlp wrote: post #144

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Termux is on their way out as they refuse to implement in Java the requirements of newer Android versions, not exposed as NDK APIs.

Did you mean way out of Google Play Store due API 29? As that's why I mentioned f-droid and f-droid doesn't require API-target restrictions. Termux is being updated only on f-droid because of those changes. If you meant Termux on Android 11, Here's the quote from the developer- >"Most of things work on Android 11. Only few packages have issues (including zsh) and restricted /proc/net which renders network information…

Yes, standard Android, I don't care about deviations like f-droid.

Some of those issues are manageable when making use of Java APIs, naturally not all of them, and even less if one refuses to touch Java.

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Post by pjmlp »

stevenhuang wrote: post #162
pjmlp wrote: post #134

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Because using stock Android is like the phone version of year of Linux Desktop. It is so ugly from UI/UX perspective, that almost everyone ends up installing a theme anyway. Then Google only does the minimum in features, and their software is crap. For many years, if you wanted proper music software, Samsung phones with their custom real time audio SDK were the only option on Android ecosystem. Same applies to the qu…

Stock Android UI is ugly? Now that's a first. I've harbored the suspicion those who prefer "theming" their phones are not detail oriented. That or they're fine with the trade-offs. For example I've always noticed inconsistencies and jankiness with anything that's not close to stock Android. Be it Samsung's TouchWiz or others, all are like a cheap veneer of dross over stock Android. They all just feel so tacky.

Yes, quite ugly full of eye burning white

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Post by tannhaeuser »

Wondering if the Android phone market can be still considered a Google-led mobile "ecosystem" when Samsung is the only big player left with competitors dropping out or struggling, and the big Chinese manufacturers being forced out.

Not meant as a snark (owned HTC phones in their heyday and also Samsung S5 and S8); just wondering if Samsung shouldn't aim for a larger influence on Android or even fork, for better or worse.

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Post by pjmlp »

matkoniecz wrote: post #182
pjmlp wrote: post #134

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Because using stock Android is like the phone version of year of Linux Desktop. It is so ugly from UI/UX perspective, that almost everyone ends up installing a theme anyway. Then Google only does the minimum in features, and their software is crap. For many years, if you wanted proper music software, Samsung phones with their custom real time audio SDK were the only option on Android ecosystem. Same applies to the qu…

> It is so ugly from UI/UX perspective, that almost everyone ends up installing a theme anyway. Sources? Because I see no substantial difference and I deliberately bought phone with stock Android as it has just Google garbage, rather than both Google garbage and phone manufacturer garbage.

The anecdote data of everyone I know that keeps buying devices like Samsung, Huawei and Xiomi.

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

rbreaves wrote: post #210
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #80

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I agree that the hardware omissions are blatant copy from Apple as the way to have more markup and revenue from accessories, software services but I like to differ on the OS front. Android's power user ecosystem couldn't be matched in iOS. Even without root, Tasker can automate every single aspect of the OS - Want to send and receive WhatsApp messages over email?[1], Want better accessibility e.g. Voice summary of ne…

The amount of work & installs you have to do for all that is laughable though.. assuming you can get a jailbroken iPhone.. the terminal app is easy to install.. small install & full on posix compliant terminal is right there w/ a more normal pkg manager to boot. I dunno shortcuts & a jailbroken iPhone is equally powerful & there’s far less tinkering involved imo. But I’m sure you’ve not used an iPhone enough to reali…

>assuming you can get a jailbroken iPhone.

And the security tradeoffs therein.

>But I’m sure you’ve not used an iPhone enough to realize that.

Was that ad hominem necessary? I've used iOS devices regularly w/o Jailbreak since 2010 until last year. I've spent several thousand dollars personally and my business money on Apple products. My comment was purely regarding the technical nature of the OS and was not directed against any brand. I know people are religious about brands, but private businesses don't deserve such dedication and I feel it's unhealthy overall.

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