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Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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This is actually very very bad. Google's lack of focus/vision w.r.t Pixel all but guarantees that Samsung can eat up the whole high end android phone market. Samsung's desire to stuff so much garbage unto their phones that they are molasses-slow even with the fastest mobile SoCs available to them all but guarantees that for most users, android will remain a huge mess. As an android user, this saddens me.

I dunno. I think Google's new focus on the mid range is where it is at. Got a Pixel 4a 5G and it's a great phone (after the major missteps of the 3 and 4 with their hopeless battery life). To me, I don't see what I'm missing going up from the 4a to a high end Samsung at twice the cost. Maybe a 90Hz display and a slightly faster CPU/GPU, which seem very marginal. I think if Google doubles down on its mid range strateg…

Pixel is basically irrelevant.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on. Samsung always wanted to do things their way -- different (shitty) UI, Samsung versions of all the core Google apps (but worse), reorganizing preferences for no reason, the stupid bottom button placement, non-remappable Bixby button, aggressively killing apps for power management and breaking widgets, etc…

> I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on. Samsung phones work well, they have one of the best cameras, the best screens, the best batteries, usually the most features. LG phones are famous for boot-looping. > different (shitty) UI It is a matter of opinion. I much prefer Samsung's UI over the garbage that is google's, and even slightly better t…

I’ve owned 5 iPhones so far and never seen this Siri button.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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What happened to the Android phone ecosystem? Android phones used to offer unique and useful features like removable batteries, headphone jacks, IR blasters, SD cards, etc. Now it seems that Samsung and Google are obsessed with copying whatever Apple does, even their controversial decisions like removing the headphone jack, even after making fun of Apple for doing it. No thanks, why would I buy a shittier iPhone with…

It's not that Samsung n' co is copying Apple, it's that Apple is making the right design and tech choices for the right reasons and Samsung is figuring this out too and making the same choices.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on. Samsung always wanted to do things their way -- different (shitty) UI, Samsung versions of all the core Google apps (but worse), reorganizing preferences for no reason, the stupid bottom button placement, non-remappable Bixby button, aggressively killing apps for power management and breaking widgets, etc…

> tech reviewers while LG got crapped on.

Samsung bought more ads, maybe?

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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There's decent reasons behind most of those, or at least consistent ones, a lot is around slimness which drives strength and material decisions. > removable batteries Those usually require relatively flimsy backs that slide fit onto the phone. This has problems with water proofing and it's a part that can wear and eventually fit poorly or fall off. It's a lot easier to waterproof/resist a phone when you can seal the…

All these talk about waterproofing and I never heard one person decide to actually take advantage of that feature. I am definitely on the cynical side of thinking that it was just marketing spin to justify taking away features to increase profits.

Yes. Quite many of these phones without headphone jack or replaceable battery are, in fact, not waterproof. Removing a "niche feature" such as a headphone jack for a niche feature (no quotes) like waterproofing seems like a bad excuse to plug the DRM hole, save cost and sell bluetooth headphones, to be honest.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on. Samsung always wanted to do things their way -- different (shitty) UI, Samsung versions of all the core Google apps (but worse), reorganizing preferences for no reason, the stupid bottom button placement, non-remappable Bixby button, aggressively killing apps for power management and breaking widgets, etc…

> I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on. Samsung phones work well, they have one of the best cameras, the best screens, the best batteries, usually the most features. LG phones are famous for boot-looping. > different (shitty) UI It is a matter of opinion. I much prefer Samsung's UI over the garbage that is google's, and even slightly better t…

Apple has never had a dedicated Siri button.

Also, it's a phone dialer - like the functionality of a phone dialer has been well defined since the early 2000's (also having used PalmOS, webOS, Windows Mobile 6 and 7, Early Android, and iOS from 2012 on I've never desired additional functionality here), so like what makes a phone dialer "like 10 years ahead"? - I'm not trying to snark, it's a genuine question.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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There's decent reasons behind most of those, or at least consistent ones, a lot is around slimness which drives strength and material decisions. > removable batteries Those usually require relatively flimsy backs that slide fit onto the phone. This has problems with water proofing and it's a part that can wear and eventually fit poorly or fall off. It's a lot easier to waterproof/resist a phone when you can seal the…

All these talk about waterproofing and I never heard one person decide to actually take advantage of that feature. I am definitely on the cynical side of thinking that it was just marketing spin to justify taking away features to increase profits.

I just got out of a bath where I was using my phone...

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on. Samsung always wanted to do things their way -- different (shitty) UI, Samsung versions of all the core Google apps (but worse), reorganizing preferences for no reason, the stupid bottom button placement, non-remappable Bixby button, aggressively killing apps for power management and breaking widgets, etc…

> Samsung versions of all the core Google apps

Because everyone wants to own as much of the stack as possible: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/09/owning-the-s...

Samsung doesn't want to become a yet another interchangeable and disposable phone body manufacturer for Google.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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Making excellent phones that are ignored, like LG was doing.

are you sure? https://www.androidheadlines.com/2019/05/sony-mobile-strateg... (headline says "Sony Mobile Has Now Officially Left Most Of The Global Market" from 5/2019) I guess that I will have to give Google phone or Huawei a try, for my next phone. (once tried xiaomi, didn't like them)

The story you linked is a bit more complex than the headline. It's kind of appropriate for the deeply confusing and paradoxical experience of shopping for a Sony phone.

And it confirms the GP's thesis that Sony is committed to keep making excellent phones while redoubling its efforts to ensure they're ignored.

What the article really says is that Sony is going to stop marketing and selling their phones in many regions, which means if you want one you might have to order it online from a reseller in Hong Kong or something. And then it may or may not be compatible with your local wireless spectrum. If it is, you'll have an excellent phone, and if it's not, you'll have an expensive pocket camera.

Probably what they've found is that outside of Japan, they can't compete against Apple's and Google-Pixel's mindshare (despite having far superior hardware than the latter, in my opinion).

> Xperia is by no means dead to the world and the company is actually redoubling its efforts with that brand in a bid to grow amid the spending cuts in regions where it will now be appointing its focus. The Sony Xperia 1 marked the start of that and is actually the result of those cost-cutting measures.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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I believe Hauwei is being forced to develop their own OS due to the threat of US sanctions. However, I think it'd be a losing battle to try to steal enough market share of IOS/Android. They'd simply copy (or one up) your competitive advantage leaving you little room to compete.

IIRC Huawei's OS is just a rebranded Android.

Huawei is absolutely writing their own kernel, see https://github.com/LiteOS/LiteOS.
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