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Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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Can someone enlighten me on why manufacturers who have experience with software, such as Microsoft, don’t create their own OS for their mobile phones? I recognize that it’s easier and faster to iterate to just use Android with some sprinkles on top, but even if it meant spending 4-5 years developing it, the potential market share is absolutely massive. I can see the first year or two would not be great since app deve…

Just to expand on Windows Mobile: For the problems it had (probably the biggest was trying to enter a duopoly), I have yet to hear of anyone who had one who didn’t like it. I never used one, but those who did seem to have liked it better than iOS and Android.

Yep. I'm still using my Alcatel Idol 4S Windows Phone as my daily driver.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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post #67

What happened to the Android phone ecosystem? Android phones used to offer unique and useful features like removable batteries, headphone jacks, IR blasters, SD cards, etc. Now it seems that Samsung and Google are obsessed with copying whatever Apple does, even their controversial decisions like removing the headphone jack, even after making fun of Apple for doing it. No thanks, why would I buy a shittier iPhone with…

There's decent reasons behind most of those, or at least consistent ones, a lot is around slimness which drives strength and material decisions. > removable batteries Those usually require relatively flimsy backs that slide fit onto the phone. This has problems with water proofing and it's a part that can wear and eventually fit poorly or fall off. It's a lot easier to waterproof/resist a phone when you can seal the…

I had a Galaxy S2 that had an IR blaster, you're right that it wasn't particularly practical. But as a late teen/college student who enjoyed some occasional mischief I remember having A LOT of fun with it. It was the perfect storm of an era where it wasn't unusual to have your phone out constantly but it wasn't really common knowledge smartphones had the feature, or to be aware of the explicitly-for-mischief "TV Off" devices.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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The mobile phone market is no longer rational. That is why we are seeing such weird things happen like LG exiting. I blame apple.

There are basically three markets nowadays.

1. Ultra luxurious $1000+ phones. These phones are bought purely based on brand name. As a result they generally have a smaller set of features and put the users through some amount of pain. For example, the latest iphone does not have headphone jack, does not come with a charger, does not have expandable memory, does not have a fingerprint sensor, has outdated 5 year old-looking screens with a huge notch, etc. You cannot compete in this category with good, technically sound products. People will pay $1200 for a brick with an apple logo on it, but not for a genuinely advanced phone packed with features, just because it ain't from apple.

2. Mid tier phones. These phones are bought based on a mixture of features and brand value. It is possible to compete here because the customers are making some sort of logical decisions. That is the reason Oneplus is able to gain significant share here. But these also have started falling into the trap of removing features and making users suffer a bit for the brand.

3. Cheap commodity phones. These are extremely cheap, the software is barely acceptable and the hardware is decent. Once again, it is difficult to compete here because these customers will buy the absolute cheapest phone there is with the set of features they want. They will entirely disregard any software polish, any brand association, anything that requires attention to detail. As a result, chinese manufacturers are absolutely killing it in this space.

So the only place for LG to fit here is the 2nd one. This is a downgrade from earlier when they used to be in the flagship game, before apple fucked it up. I guess they are not able or ready to adapt to the new reality of the market. Sony did the same. I respect the decision on some level.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's decent reasons behind most of those, or at least consistent ones, a lot is around slimness which drives strength and material decisions. > removable batteries Those usually require relatively flimsy backs that slide fit onto the phone. This has problems with water proofing and it's a part that can wear and eventually fit poorly or fall off. It's a lot easier to waterproof/resist a phone when you can seal the…

The traditional approach to an SD card is to put it in the tray. The OnePlus line of phones had its second SIM slot also accept an SD card. That is, one tray, one waterproof gasket, with the tray long enough to accept two cards. This is the same on the Note 10+, and is in fact an upsell feature from the Note 10. Headphone jack needing to be waterproofed is a bit of a lie, as there have been IP68 phones with a headpho…

Yeah it's a small increase in the gap for waterproofing because of the additional lanes required but it's a decent sized hit to the internal volume taken out by the longer tray. I'm not trying to say these are rock hard laws just a set of reasons a lot of phones have removed certain features.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's decent reasons behind most of those, or at least consistent ones, a lot is around slimness which drives strength and material decisions. > removable batteries Those usually require relatively flimsy backs that slide fit onto the phone. This has problems with water proofing and it's a part that can wear and eventually fit poorly or fall off. It's a lot easier to waterproof/resist a phone when you can seal the…

All these talk about waterproofing and I never heard one person decide to actually take advantage of that feature. I am definitely on the cynical side of thinking that it was just marketing spin to justify taking away features to increase profits.

What is taking advantage of that feature? You still probably aren’t going to go swimming with your phone but you’re a lot less likely to ruin it when you accidentally drop it in the pool.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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What happened to the Android phone ecosystem? Android phones used to offer unique and useful features like removable batteries, headphone jacks, IR blasters, SD cards, etc. Now it seems that Samsung and Google are obsessed with copying whatever Apple does, even their controversial decisions like removing the headphone jack, even after making fun of Apple for doing it. No thanks, why would I buy a shittier iPhone with…

My V20 died a few months back and I reluctantly switched to OnePlus. Man, I miss my V20 every single day.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on. Samsung always wanted to do things their way -- different (shitty) UI, Samsung versions of all the core Google apps (but worse), reorganizing preferences for no reason, the stupid bottom button placement, non-remappable Bixby button, aggressively killing apps for power management and breaking widgets, etc…

> I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on.

Samsung phones work well, they have one of the best cameras, the best screens, the best batteries, usually the most features. LG phones are famous for boot-looping.

> different (shitty) UI

It is a matter of opinion. I much prefer Samsung's UI over the garbage that is google's, and even slightly better than iphone.

> Samsung versions of all the core Google apps (but worse)

Every Samsung app that replaces a google app is 2x better. The browser is faster, better than chrome. The contacts app is so much better. The dialer is like 10 years ahead. Gallery is at least 10x faster and less buggier than google photos. I always try to delete as much google bloatware from my phone as possible, and use the samsung apps.

> the stupid bottom button placement

What button? There are no buttons on Samsung phones for the past 3-4 years. The navbar is fully customizable (unlike google), and hidable.

> non-remappable Bixby button

Similar to the non-remappable squeeze button on pixels and siri button on iphones?? And the bixby button is remappable with an app nowadays.

> aggressively killing apps for power management

Samsung is hardly the worst offender here. And I can't blame them for trying to fix the clusterfuck that google has created with android.

> Do people actually like all those Samsung annoyances?

I can't speak for others, but your "annoyances" are useful features for me. The alarm app turns on my bedroom lights in the morning automatically. Bixby routines automatically cranks the brightness and enables auto rotate when I play a video. Samsung health auto-tracks my sleeping schedule and tells me which apps are keeping me awake. Samsung browser blocks all ads and has an automatic dark mode for every website. Samsung pay lets me pay with my phone at any credit card terminal, not just the ones with NFC.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They realized people use their phones as fashion accessories and don't care about specs? Removable batteries create bulk, make the phone ugly. Headphone jacks? Added width and makes it harder to sell the consumer bluetooth headphones. IR blasters/SD cards? Nobody cares.

> Removable batteries create bulk, Not even remotely true. The LG V20 is very thin and still has a removable battery.

Batteries have to hold substantially more power now than they did 5 years ago.

EDIT: Huh, I looked it up and I'm completely wrong. Battery sizes haven't changed.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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post #66

I never understood why Samsung phones were constantly receiving praise by tech reviewers while LG got crapped on. Samsung always wanted to do things their way -- different (shitty) UI, Samsung versions of all the core Google apps (but worse), reorganizing preferences for no reason, the stupid bottom button placement, non-remappable Bixby button, aggressively killing apps for power management and breaking widgets, etc…

I greatly preferred TouchWiz to stock Android UI. It's a matter of preference.

Re: LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

#90
post #29

Can manufacturers do a wedge like design with a thicker top & tapered bottom edge? That way there is no camera bump & the device sits flat on a desk & a bit raised towards you as well. Bonus camera points coz the lenses are along the same axis horizontally & closer to the centre of the device than in one corner, likewise for the front facing camera too, which could just be shoved into one corner without leaving a hol…

That will be a beautiful and practical design
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