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Re: Apple 2001

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I'm reading the transcript and it's interesting. There must be a transcription process done by someone who is not one of the participants of the conversation. Perhaps automated but (roughly) vetted by a human afterwards. > When the iPod shipped originally, it only worked on _max_ and it used the HFS plus file system, which was Apple’s file system. And then at some point they said most of the world uses Windows. And s…

Hi, podcast host here. I got the transcript done through rev.com and didn't proof read it because usually they are pretty solid. That was a mistake, I am fixing it right now.

In one section it also says “right” and it should be “write”.

Re: Apple 2001

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The most striking thing to me is that apple never kept any written records of its collaborations with the government. Not even emails. It was all hand shakes and whispers. I would have guessed that there is some kind of official proceedings involved in such a thing. I thought it was interesting that he said the DOE engineers seemed really sharp. I wonder how they incentive the best people to work a government job.

Re: Apple 2001

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> "So Apple did develop for and ship little endian CPUs way before the iPod." ARM was always little-endian by default. It has a big-endian mode, too, but now days it's virtually never used. But did Apple actually use the big endian mode in the Newton, which shipped in 1993? Google hasn't been able to give me a clear answer on this.

I was curious too, so I took a quick read through a Newton ROM hex dump. I'm pretty sure it's running in big endian mode. 00000000 ea 00 06 2c ea 68 00 01 ea 6c ff ef ea 68 00 00 00000010 ea 67 ff fc ea 67 ff fb ea 67 ff f9 ea 67 ff f7 Those e nybbles you see at the top of each word are pretty standard arm32, meaning "execute always" in it's ubiquitous conditional execution of instructions. Them being in byte 0 rathe…

I believe you're right. Looking at Makefiles for open source Newton projects, -mbig-endian is passed into GCC:

https://github.com/pguyot/DCL/blob/master/Sample_Code/Toolch...

MACHINEFLAGS := -march=armv3 -mbig-endian

Re: Apple 2001

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To the author, pretty please consider making a download link to the audio file accessible on your episode page. I can search for it in developer tools but it’s a tad annoying. :)

Re: Apple 2001

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To the author, pretty please consider making a download link to the audio file accessible on your episode page. I can search for it in developer tools but it’s a tad annoying. :)

Hi, Good idea, I'll add that.

Right now you can do -> "Podcast Player" -> "RSS", but I realize that is non-obvious.

Updated

Re: Apple 2001

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post #32

I'm reading the transcript and it's interesting. There must be a transcription process done by someone who is not one of the participants of the conversation. Perhaps automated but (roughly) vetted by a human afterwards. > When the iPod shipped originally, it only worked on _max_ and it used the HFS plus file system, which was Apple’s file system. And then at some point they said most of the world uses Windows. And s…

Hi, podcast host here. I got the transcript done through rev.com and didn't proof read it because usually they are pretty solid. That was a mistake, I am fixing it right now.

I’m a little sheepish that this is the highest post on the page. I thought the podcast was interesting and the transcript was pretty readable.

Re: Apple 2001

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post #32

I'm reading the transcript and it's interesting. There must be a transcription process done by someone who is not one of the participants of the conversation. Perhaps automated but (roughly) vetted by a human afterwards. > When the iPod shipped originally, it only worked on _max_ and it used the HFS plus file system, which was Apple’s file system. And then at some point they said most of the world uses Windows. And s…

Hi, podcast host here. I got the transcript done through rev.com and didn't proof read it because usually they are pretty solid. That was a mistake, I am fixing it right now.

Also, "bite order".

Re: Apple 2001

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post #17

> This was the first time that I was aware of Apple had shipped a little Endian processor. FWIW, the LaserWriter 16/600 PS (introduced 1994) uses an Intel 80168 as I/O processor for AppleTalk serving etc. So Apple did develop for and ship little endian CPUs way before the iPod.

The MOS 6502 powering the apple II was as far as i know also litle endien. Most PPC chips would actually run both big or little endian and but im not sure weather MAC OS Clasic ever ran anything other then big endian.

Also re: Mac OS Classic on little-endian... the only attempt I think was the "Star Trek" project, an attempt to build a Mac OS that ran on Intel hardware as a competitor to Windows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_project

Never went far though.

Re: Apple 2001

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post #9

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Well, if they got any stock, it's worth about 50x as much now as it was then (not adjusting for inflation or other factors). So if they were getting $25k in stock for 4 years, that would be worth a few million today. The sad thing is I'd wager 95-99% of startup employees put in work hoping for some kind of similar payout, only to never find it.

If they were paid for their actual time (i.e. something like overtime) they would have made in excess of $25K and could have invested it wherever. That they happened to work at Apple and it did what it did was a little lucky. I think Jobs was a special and good leader in many ways, but also a total jerk. Imagine if Jobs were to have kept notes and been more coherent in his feedback i.e. "I don't like the menus. Don't…

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Re: Apple 2001

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post #45

To the author, pretty please consider making a download link to the audio file accessible on your episode page. I can search for it in developer tools but it’s a tad annoying. :)

Hi, Good idea, I'll add that. Right now you can do -> "Podcast Player" -> "RSS", but I realize that is non-obvious. Updated

Oh, thank you!
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