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The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #84

Here is the actual list of myths with some text on each one. [1] This gets posted on HN a lot, but sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who actually clicks through and reads the debunking? Only about a 30 - 40% are actually false (eg. "No EU plan to ban Union Flag from British meat packs"), the majority are true, and the "debunking" takes the form of explaining why it's a good thing (eg. "EC plan to ban noisy toys"…

> No they don't ban vegetables with the wrong dimensions, they just put them in a lower quality class that no supermarkets will buy.

That’s not a distinction without a difference it’s literally the only thing relevant to fruit and veg classification.

Obviously Supermarket always buys classified fruit & veg (and did before the EU). And obviously in a common market those classifications must be the same. A ban on ugly bananas is just that, a ban on supermarkets selling anything under the top classification, or a classification that doesn’t allow the sale of lower grade at all. This isn’t it. No one bans anyone from selling 2nd grade fruit and the fruit isn’t classed as not for human consumption.

The whole ugly fruit movement where supermarkets now sell other grades is literally a response to this!

> No EU plan to ban Union Flag from British meat packs

I didn’t read the referenced article but surely flags are not only allowed but even encouraged on meat packaging? Obviously the flag must match the country of origin of the meat but if it does how can it be a problem?

If a manufacturer used a Union Jack or to sell Irish or Latvian meat I sure hope both local and EU law would object (regardless of whether that company had used it in its logo for 100s of years). Was that was happened? And was someone really upset about it?

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Former trench digger as a sub for the Telekom here. It is extremely expensive to build out fibre trenches - rural areas simply because of the vast distances and the comparatively few users and urban areas because the underground area is filled meaning you can't use excavators below 20cm depth and have to do everything by hand. If Romania can do it, with much of the same restrictions in place, but a lot less money a…

Romanian wages are way lower, easy as that. And they get lots of EU subsidies too.

Our EU funds absorption rate is pitiful, I'm not sure that's the main reason.

The wages part might be true.

But it's utterly shameful that's the case considering that we're talking about residential fiber, so high density places where that cost can be spread out easily. Because in rural areas for sure they can use equipment to dig.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #93

The differences here are over values not facts. Specific examples aside, the EU buys into the idea that you can harmonize society with the right laws. The Brits were never going to be okay with that. It's a continental idea and inimical to common law. This is a country where they don't have ids. They passed a law to create ids but then it was repealed and the ids were destroyed. You can read Notes from a Small Island…

So you're saying that it was incompatible British Values that caused the UK media to lie about what the EU was doing.

So that list of 100+ lies printed by the UK Press was fine, as it was an effort to manipulate people to have a negative opinion of the EU.

Since those good reasons weren't enough to get what the Brexiters wanted?

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #20

>Broadband speeds, red tape – EU red tape force down broadband speeds, May 2016 I know all of these are nonsense, but this one is particularly funny to me. In London I was limited to 80mbps copper cable, but since moving to a European city I now have gigabit fibre for around the same price (and 10 gigabit is available too for a small extra.)

Just depends where you live. Plenty of gigabit connections in London.

I only seem to get it via business gigabit connection but that is costly. I can't seem get it via consumer internet here in Zone 1 near Hyde Park. Max is ~70+.

If Hyperoptic was available would be great but they seem to mostly to cover (new) apartment buildings. Having a Mews house is probably not helping

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the Brexit to EU is like KGB to US? Why do you want to keep UK inside EU then?

I 'm not keeping anything, anywhere. The UK can do whatever it wants, as far as I care. I was just doing a reductio ad abusrdum ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum ) to show you that your logic was faulty.

You didn't. I proved your RU-US example did not fit in the context of UK-EU.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The website, which offers officials in Brussels a chance to rebut media accusations of meddling, features hundreds of reports that are based on inaccurate or misleading information." So it was made for officials to rebut lies printed in the media about the EU. I take it that you don't mind "journalists" printing lies as long as they're lies that support your point of view?

Shouldn't the website also list factual reports proving their point that EU is over-regulated? No matter how many reports got wrong, they don't hurt the reports are factual and correct.

Nope. Why would they?

They're refuting British lies.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #113
post #93

The differences here are over values not facts. Specific examples aside, the EU buys into the idea that you can harmonize society with the right laws. The Brits were never going to be okay with that. It's a continental idea and inimical to common law. This is a country where they don't have ids. They passed a law to create ids but then it was repealed and the ids were destroyed. You can read Notes from a Small Island…

So you're saying that it was incompatible British Values that caused the UK media to lie about what the EU was doing. So that list of 100+ lies printed by the UK Press was fine, as it was an effort to manipulate people to have a negative opinion of the EU. Since those good reasons weren't enough to get what the Brexiters wanted?

Clearly lying is not good. I don't have strong opinions about whether the linked list can be accurately described as lies.

My strong opinion is that the differences here are about values not facts, and those differences are real.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is: is it more expensive than getting lapped by other countries because the industry cannot keep up in regards to digitalization (also known under the marketing phrase "industry 4.0")? It's incredibly sad to still have to look up how internet connectivity is going to be when you move. In a high-tech nation as Germany, I should be able to expect a fast internet connection in every house to be able to work…

> The question is: is it more expensive than getting lapped by other countries because the industry cannot keep up in regards to digitalization? Of course it is but Conservatives lack the ability (or the will, given their party donors) to think of the future. "Wer Visionen hat soll zum Arzt gehen"...

> Of course it is but Conservatives lack the ability (or the will, given their party donors) to think of the future. "Wer Visionen hat soll zum Arzt gehen"...

Schmidt was in SPD, not the CDU.

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I 'm not keeping anything, anywhere. The UK can do whatever it wants, as far as I care. I was just doing a reductio ad abusrdum ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum ) to show you that your logic was faulty.

You didn't. I proved your RU-US example did not fit in the context of UK-EU.

You proved how? Why would the EU not be allowed to publish things proving that what the UK newspaper articles are false?

Is there some sort of legal principle I'm missing that says that government entities are not allowed to defend themselves from lies?

Re: The EU archived “Euromyths” printed in UK media (2018)

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To make a fair presentation, it also need to list truthful reports. By the end of the day, the simple logic is that the false reports do not hurt truthful reports. If the truthful reports prove their point, no matter how many false reports exist, the truth is the truth.

Otherwise this action itself is purely propaganda implementing a false logic.

If this is done by a neutral third party NGO, it would definitely list both truthful and wrong reports.

BTW, watch police disperse crowds at Belgian April Fool party https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/137845598454942515...

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