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Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by Sebb767 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #38
supergirl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it would be funny if it wasn't sad that women are so far behind that a woman ship captain is news.

I don't understand the 'behind' bit. What's 'behind' about not being a cargo ship captain? Do you have to force people into roles they don't want just to create a statistic to suggest equality?

Usually I'd agree with you, but this arguments works as a heuristic with a 70/30 split. Maybe even 90/10, if you have some data. But when we're talking about a single woman on thousands of men in the job, personal preference is very probably not the reason.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by hashkb »

simias wrote: post #66
galfarragem wrote: post #2

This happened because this time[0] the Media - strangely - kept the responsibles anonymous. This feeds conspiracy theories. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Schettino

In the age of online mobs it's probably very commendable for the news outlets not to throw anybody to the lions, especially since in this case the responsibility seems difficult to establish. Is it the fault of the captain? The Egyptian pilot? Some technician that caused directly or indirectly a blackout on the ship? The Egyptian authorities who authorized the ship to cross during bad weather? Etc... It's a very good…

> armies of losers

Referring to "them" like this is partially what feeds them. If you are interested.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by Pyramus »

thinkingemote wrote: post #76
detaro wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: Why would that be relevant right now? Nobody outside knows what exactly happened, so what value does the name of a guy we never heard of give the public, except fodder for speculations and blaming people based on nothing?

It's easy to argue that in the vast majority of news the identity of the accused is similarly not needed. However the reality we see is that the News doesn't think so. So what, in this case, is different?

Nothing really - printing the name of a murderer, say, is a trade-off between the public's right to know and the person's right to privacy. Simply speaking: Also assumed murderers, say, are humans and have rights.

Different countries/societies choose this trade-off differently.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by detaro »

thinkingemote wrote: post #76
detaro wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: Why would that be relevant right now? Nobody outside knows what exactly happened, so what value does the name of a guy we never heard of give the public, except fodder for speculations and blaming people based on nothing?

It's easy to argue that in the vast majority of news the identity of the accused is similarly not needed. However the reality we see is that the News doesn't think so. So what, in this case, is different?

We're not even at the stage where there is an "accused", that's the point. Similarly, the names of the pilots that guided the ship haven't been released - they are equally good candidates to be blamed without further knowledge. None of the involved parties has a particular interest in making it about the persons, and if media found it then what? "Here's a name of a dude nobody ever heard of, and we can't tell you anything about him or what he has done"?

Or look at the reporting about the airliner that crashed in Indonesia earlier this year: While the pilots name is public knowledge, its also not really been part of the reporting because it's not especially relevant yet and there is nothing interesting to say about them. (Apparently the voice recorder has been found, so if there is anything interesting on there expect that to change)

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by hashkb »

criley2 wrote: post #72
midasuni wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same in the west, although not to the same extent

Men in China have less rights than women in America. At some point, it becomes shortsighted to lose sight of where we are.

So let's give up on fixing anything because it's always worse somewhere else?

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by danuker »

galfarragem wrote: post #2

This happened because this time[0] the Media - strangely - kept the responsibles anonymous. This feeds conspiracy theories. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Schettino

Relevant video by Internet Historian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9KBwqGxTI

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by mrwnmonm »

kvetching wrote: post #34

Honestly, that's really funny.

People here in Egypt think it is funny. That's why the media likes to publish these fake stories. They are not anti-women or something like that, they just think it is a good joke. But it is not funny at all.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by pmorici »

This story itself seems to be perpetuating a small false hood by captioning the leading photo as, “Egypt’s first female ship’s captain”.

If you read the article it then says she was the first female to be accepted to Egypt’s merchant navy school and in the second to last sentence says she is currently the rank of fist mate though will be a Captain soon if she passes her exam. She is also clearly wearing the rank of fist mate in the photo billing her as Egypt’s first captain.

This is why people have lost faith in the news. They can’t even get a basic fact right and manage to contradict themselves in the same story no less.

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by wunderflix »

narag wrote: post #77

I have no doubt that she would be able to block it if she wanted to. She must have a very strong determination to get where she is. My cousin is a quantity surveyor. Her mother wanted her to be a nurse and made a huge drama over what would she do all day discussing with construction workers, but there she is, also rising two children.

I remember a Ted talk saying that China grew much faster than India not because of any infrastructure advantage they had. But because of stronger role women play in the work force.

https://www.ted.com/talks/yasheng_huang_does_democracy_stifl...

Re: Marwa Elselehdar: 'I was blamed for blocking the Suez Canal'

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Post by hashkb »

hashkb wrote: post #82
simias wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the age of online mobs it's probably very commendable for the news outlets not to throw anybody to the lions, especially since in this case the responsibility seems difficult to establish. Is it the fault of the captain? The Egyptian pilot? Some technician that caused directly or indirectly a blackout on the ship? The Egyptian authorities who authorized the ship to cross during bad weather? Etc... It's a very good…

> armies of losers Referring to "them" like this is partially what feeds them. If you are interested.

And downvoting the guy checking your polarizing virtue signalling is totally how we move towards a better way of communicating.

Edit: what about the army of losers on here? Can we try to have some perspective?

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