Would like to know if non Facebook users are included because Facebook has non Facebook user's phone numbers due to the fact that Whatsapp uploads the entire phonebook to Whatsapp. That means Facebook is likely to know your phone number although you don't use Facebook or Whatsapp.
I have WhatsApp and you can deny access to your phonebook. Everything works just fine
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#232I’ve been getting a lot of automated/unsolicited calls recently. Begs the question if this might be the source of my woes. Is there a trustworthy phone number version of https://haveibeenpwned.com ?
European here. What are these bot calls exactly? Never had one as I guess it’s forbidden where I live.
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don’t have FB or or WhatsApp but my Insta account (using a separate email address and no personal details) keeps recommending my therapist to me. So what? What's the harm? People sure like to write emotionally charged posts arguing for privacy, but they're always suspiciously low on details on what bad things (actually) happened. Even in this case with phone numbers and other data leaked, so what? What harm do da…
You've obviously never been a victim of identity fraud, stalking or psychological terror. As long as the legal justice system hasn't caught up with that (in the sense of efficiency and prevention of financial problems) every data point that's leaked about you is a potential threat. > fuss about nothing Ever heard about rape victims? Ever heard about stalkers? Ever heard about psychological threats? Ever heard about s…
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#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
> is the lack of informed consent. what's making it possible is the lack of privacy regulation. People by and large don't care enough about privacy,it's too diffuse, too complicated, the damage to oneself and others is too intangible etc. Only way to end this is to destroy the business models that make it possible. What stands in the way of it is the mindset that this somehow harms innovation. (Innovating who can dri…
> People by and large don't care enough about privacy Not to play dumb or sealion, but what opportunities are they given to do so? How often have those opportunities been one-and-done, "if you don't do something to protect your privacy in this particular instance at this particular moment, it's gone forever?"
I don't think that question really captures it, because an easy response to that is "Why do I care? Why is my privacy so important that it's a problem that it's gone forever?" To some of us that might seem like an absurd question; we see privacy as an obviously valuable thing that we are struggling to maintain.
But I don't think that's the case for most people; I think most people adopt the "I have nothing to hide, so what does it matter?" attitude. Especially when they (likely correctly) believe that online services that are central to their lives (like GMail or GDocs or Facebook or Instagram or WhatsApp) wouldn't be free to use if they didn't give up their data (and privacy) in return for the service.
You can try to point to data breaches, but, even then, most of those don't have a tangible effect on people. 533M Facebook users' phone numbers and personal data leaked? Most of those 533M probably won't notice anything bad happening because of it, and any bad stuff that does happen... well, they probably won't be able to draw a causal line from the FB breach to the bad things.
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#235And yet it is still considered audaciously paranoid among the general public to protect your privacy by not having a Facebook/LinkedIn/Google/... account.
It's the same as how unsympathetic people ask why fat people don't just stop eating, or drug users stop getting high, or the cyberbullied don't just turn off their phone.
It's a lot more complicated than "just don't use facebook".
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#237I don’t have FB or or WhatsApp but my Insta account (using a separate email address and no personal details) keeps recommending my therapist to me. How are we still ok with this shit? The sooner we get rid of the cancer that FB is, the better. I didn’t share my contact book with FB apps either. It was probably her—a person in her 70s, not necessarily experienced with tech. The main reason this company exists, or that…
You do know how this happened right? Wifi SSIDs with similar strengths reveal if people are in the same area, then just correlate timestamps and viola! I wouldn't throw the elder person under the bus on this one, the tactics are sophisticated, and honestly, just a precursor to what will happen with AR. To give a bit more of how it's implemented (at least how I would propose it in iOS), Insta/FB/Whats queries availabl…
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don’t have FB or or WhatsApp but my Insta account (using a separate email address and no personal details) keeps recommending my therapist to me. So what? What's the harm? People sure like to write emotionally charged posts arguing for privacy, but they're always suspiciously low on details on what bad things (actually) happened. Even in this case with phone numbers and other data leaked, so what? What harm do da…
You've obviously never been a victim of identity fraud, stalking or psychological terror. As long as the legal justice system hasn't caught up with that (in the sense of efficiency and prevention of financial problems) every data point that's leaked about you is a potential threat. > fuss about nothing Ever heard about rape victims? Ever heard about stalkers? Ever heard about psychological threats? Ever heard about s…
And that's the point: most people haven't, and many who have probably weren't able to link it to something specific like "Facebook vacuumed up all my data and then lost it". And "most people" are the people who influence and make policy.
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#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don’t have FB or or WhatsApp but my Insta account (using a separate email address and no personal details) keeps recommending my therapist to me. So what? What's the harm? People sure like to write emotionally charged posts arguing for privacy, but they're always suspiciously low on details on what bad things (actually) happened. Even in this case with phone numbers and other data leaked, so what? What harm do da…
Post your personal phone number right here and I will show you what harm it can cause.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Post your personal phone number right here and I will show you what harm it can cause.
Also @badjeans should give you all passwords for all email accounts, and all encryption keys. Because you know, what does it matter, right?