My actual phone number has net negative value. I mostly only get scam texts and phone calls.
Everyone I know uses messaging apps and contacts me that way.
I can’t believe Apple hasn’t offered a way to white list when your phone rings.
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Re: 533M Facebook users' phone numbers and personal data have been leaked online
#172Wasn't Facebook just trying to lecture apple about privacy?
Right? They're masters at adopting the (supposedly) moral high ground and acting all hurt when others criticize them - you'll hear 'we need to be better' but there's this overriding sense of, how dare people differ from what we feel is best?
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have WhatsApp and you can deny access to your phonebook. Everything works just fine
Others can still allow access to their phone book and the information stored in them about you will be transmitted and saved at Facebook, won't it? Is there a way to disable that?
> Is there a way to disable that?
No.
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#174I don’t have FB or or WhatsApp but my Insta account (using a separate email address and no personal details) keeps recommending my therapist to me. How are we still ok with this shit? The sooner we get rid of the cancer that FB is, the better. I didn’t share my contact book with FB apps either. It was probably her—a person in her 70s, not necessarily experienced with tech. The main reason this company exists, or that…
> is the lack of informed consent. what's making it possible is the lack of privacy regulation. People by and large don't care enough about privacy,it's too diffuse, too complicated, the damage to oneself and others is too intangible etc. Only way to end this is to destroy the business models that make it possible. What stands in the way of it is the mindset that this somehow harms innovation. (Innovating who can dri…
Yes, we need better laws, opt-in consent and alternatives to ad tech (such as better ways for supporting publishers). The issues are systemic, going deeper than ad tech itself (e.g. conflicting incentives even within same publishing org, metrics being mostly nonsense, Goodhart's law).
I think that the existing incentives can be moved, but we will need a chance in mentality that might require a generational shift, or who knows what how many fucks-ups. I'm becoming more and more pessimistic wrt to the latter.
Re: 533M Facebook users' phone numbers and personal data have been leaked online
#175I don’t have FB or or WhatsApp but my Insta account (using a separate email address and no personal details) keeps recommending my therapist to me. How are we still ok with this shit? The sooner we get rid of the cancer that FB is, the better. I didn’t share my contact book with FB apps either. It was probably her—a person in her 70s, not necessarily experienced with tech. The main reason this company exists, or that…
> my Insta account (using a separate email address and no personal details) keeps recommending my therapist to me What about your phone number? Does your therapist have it? Maybe your therapist granted Instagram/Facebook access to her contacts? Or maybe you yourself granted Instagram access and your therapist is in your phone's contact list?
Yup, I don't share my contacts with FB or insta, but I think that she did. I don't blame her, she's not a very "technical" person and the UX is not meant to help her make a conscious choice.
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#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who would get this money? I agree that it needs to be some solution involving a cost, given that most of these companies have shown multiple times that profit isn’t just their main concern, it’s the only concern.
The government typically... who might in turn do something like a tax rebate (write a check to everyone, ontario has been doing with the carbon tax) or just stick it into the general pool of taxes (reducing everyone's taxes).
So the American government gets a cheque for every other nations citizens that use FB, or FB has to determine where each of their users reside?
Respectfully, I'm not sure either of these lead to outcomes we want
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
I work in the security field and let me tell you something I realized: nobody cares about security. If someone cares about security, it's because they've had many many incidents in the past. We humans are not a species that is good at preventing, we are good at reacting. the security handbook[^1] has a chapter on that actually, and they basically say that role playing is the only way of not getting burned. Humans are…
I think part of the problem is that many orgs see security as an overhead that engineers do to sleep well at night. A few more breaches, a few more fines and it will finally be seen as a feature to keep the CEO out of jail.
Probably 2/3 of billionaires belong in jail.
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#178Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about this data being public causes it to lose value? It seems like it would be a boon for lots of companies even if every other company has it.
I believe they mean it can't effectively be sold if everyone has it. It loses value as a commodity if anyone can access it, but the value of the data is still in tact.
But facebook is not in the business of selling your data. It's in the business of selling your attention and it uses data to do so. There's nothing about this leak that changes Facebook's position in this market in this regard.
Re: 533M Facebook users' phone numbers and personal data have been leaked online
#179My actual phone number has net negative value. I mostly only get scam texts and phone calls. Everyone I know uses messaging apps and contacts me that way. I can’t believe Apple hasn’t offered a way to white list when your phone rings.
They have. Settings > Phone > Silence Unknown Callers
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Not really an answer to your question, but one partial solution to the problem of having your number leaked or sold is to setup a service like Twilio to act like a phone proxy. You can have Twilio forward calls it receives on a different number ("spam number") to your actual phone number ("real number"). You provide spam number to anyone who isn't a business or personal contact. Every few months, you rotate spam numb…
Is this available to people outside of the US as well and is there a guide for setting this up? Last time I used twilio for a basic sms gateway there was a lot of clicking and typing.
I've been using voip.ms in Canada to great success. Even SMS codes from banks and Whatsapp work correctly. Excellent service, highly recommend, especially with voicemail auto-transcription (then sent to email) and SMS from desktop via email.