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Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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> Linux apps are terrible compared to Mac And it's this sort of absolutism that continues to solidify the "cult" like impression of the Apple consumerism culture.

It is however true that majority of Linux software that is excellent can leak over to Mac since OSS can be ported over, but the other way around doesn't really work. Having said that, i have all the tools I need on Linux, excepting office, which I run via wine. I wish I didn't have to, but what can you do. I also find a lot of people complain about to be simple habit; I've been using Linux 25ish years, and was an ear…

> Mac since OSS can be ported over, but the other way around doesn't really work.

Why then, is brew still considerably worse than apt, and Finder worse than...anything on Linux? You don't need the source code to replicate functionality. Additionally, some tools are better adapted to the philosophy of their 'native' desktops,so they have a challenge architecturaly and with the users mindsets/muscle-memory when ported across platforms.

This is all to say, I agree that it's pretty subjective: I'll take keyboard shortcuts over mouse gestures - so I won't "get" why Mac lovers emphasize trackpad performance so much, and I guess they won't "get" why I rave about system-wide shortcuts and configurability either. I use MacOs for work, but all my home computers run Linux. GNU core-utils are better than the BSD versions that ship on Macs - I will die on this hill

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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>apt-get was a revolution when it was released in 1998 and it is still the best way to manage software today. brew is a mediocre replacement. While apt still isn't the best package manager (my heart belongs to pacman, no matter what the haters say), I completely agree that brew is a failed imitation. I wanted to use MacOS for the longest time, because I've been told that it's a real "Unix system". Brew has distilled…

> because I've been told that it's a real "Unix system". OSX certainly isn't a "real Unix system". OSX a huge hodgepodge of proprietary crap with a Unix component buried somewhere in the middle of the dung heap to get FOSS proponent to believe that Apple believes in openness.

DEC, SunOS, AIX, HP-UX, etc. were all proprietary. So they weren't Unix either?

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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The blog post says

> migrating to Linux is fine, but don't expect a better experience than the Mac.

It seems that depends on what you do (and like). If you spend most of your time in Mail.app and previewing your files with Preview app and you like those apps, then perhaps Mac OS is a good choice for you.

I personally don't fall into those categories. I care more about the software development experience where Linux is a better option for me. In fact, I was a bit surprised that the blog post was from "Engineer, developer, entrepreneur" and there was no coverage of software engineering/development tools.

Here are things I prefer on Linux (not in any particular order): docker actually runs without taking over half to all of the system, window manager behaves the way I configure it, Kate works better, it's closer to what's in production - I don't need to run another docker container do/test simple things or fight with Mac OS workarounds, most tools/packages I use are a simple command away - Linux package managers are better and have a lot more packages than Homebrew, all/most installed packages get updates automatically, GUI file managers and file open dialogs are better than the Finder app, app menus belong to their windows, fonts aren't extra blurry on external monitors, most software stack is open source - if I find a bug I can troubleshoot or even try fixing it, etc., etc.

Things I liked better on a Mac: giant click anywhere touchpad (though tap-to-click feature was inadequate).

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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post #703

The blog post says > migrating to Linux is fine, but don't expect a better experience than the Mac. It seems that depends on what you do (and like). If you spend most of your time in Mail.app and previewing your files with Preview app and you like those apps, then perhaps Mac OS is a good choice for you. I personally don't fall into those categories. I care more about the software development experience where Linux i…

I feel mac touchpad is very topnotch but other than that I totally agree with the points you made about the linux

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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post #327

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So, does "Just Work" now include easily accessible noob-proof configuration of the things you want? In that case, macOS doesn't Just Work for me, because I want to be able to see what apps are playing sound or recording and manually set them to different sinks/sources, maybe even have sound playing from multiple devices at the same time. On Linux with PulseAudio and pavucontrol, this is effortlessly configurable with…

Everything you require is not in the least beginner user problems. I'm talking basic issues faced by a person who only views emails, looks at spreadsheets and word documents and opens their browser

I get that, and my setup is definitely not beginner-friendly. But I think we need to agree on what beginners actually do, because I wouldn't say customising power settings falls into that category.

The problem as I see it is that even people who really are beginners sometimes want to reach for more advanced functionality, and different systems expose different advanced functions in a user-friendly way.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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post #357

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I'm going to shock you here but every platform has longstanding bugs with hundreds of people complaining about them.

Not sure if i can agree. Major open source issues like this are usually solved at some point by some code hero. Or you just fix it yourself and solve anyone else problem too

This is an obvious straw man, parent is talking about ‘many issues’, and you are talking about major issues.

Apple obviously doesn’t have a lot of unfixed major issues. Many small complaints is another matter.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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post #37

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> Because Apple stuff doesn't "just work" any more. This is essentially a false statement for all intents and purposes. Apple software does “just work” with Apple hardware.

No it doesn't. It really doesn't. There are sooo many issues that are still not fixed, years after being reported. Apple's Support site has pages where there's hundreds of people saying "I have this problem too", and no comment from an Apple dev. I'm not blaming them. This shit is hard, even if you control both the hardware and the software. I get why they don't say "it just works" any more.

> There are sooo many issues that are still not fixed, years after being reported. Apple's Support site has pages where there's hundreds of people saying "I have this problem too", and no comment from an Apple dev.

With a billion end-users this is really just noise. In any case this is a meaningless comparison. With Linux there is nowhere and nobody to even ask for this kind of support.

The answer is always some version of RTFM or fix it yourself.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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In reading this, I found it very misleading. The expectation is that the author's work flows is somehow impacted and slower because certain commercial software that said author has been become dependent on does not exist.

The large blanket statements such as:

"Power tools are more limited and more difficult to use",

"Any advanced Mac user knows about Karabiner, BetterTouchTool, Choosy, Alfred, Automator, and more."

"With Linux, you can achieve almost the same feature set, but it is harder and more limited."

In this case, the author has limited themselves to what is commercially available. Or looking at their choice tools they mentioned, the wrong tool for the job.

The entire review seems very biased in the context that the expectation is Linux should have the same tooling and UX as macOS. There is no mention on viewing other GUIs that could be tuned to better suit the expectations of the author.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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post #74

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> being immune to bugs This is a total straw man. “Just works” has never meant free of bugs. It means not having to do a bunch of incidental configuration, tuning, and setup. Things do just work.

> This is a total straw man. You use this word, "straw man". I do not think it means what you think it means. No, it is not a straw man to point out that bugs interfere with the notion that something "just works". When bugs interfere with getting things done - as I've found they often do in the course of using macOS daily, like when I can't open firewall ports for development or share my screen via Google Hangouts be…

> You use this word, "straw man". I do not think it means what you think it means.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/straw%20man

Being ‘immune from bugs’ is an obvious straw man.

> A Chromebook has fewer bugs and a better UX

If by ‘better UX’ you mean doesn’t even try to do things.

> Application menus are so far away from application windows that the Ever Given could do a goddamn u-turn between them with room to spare.

Have you considered why? There are good UX reasons for this. It uses less screen real estate, and leverages Fitt’s law because you don’t have to be accurate in the vertical dimension. It’s fine to have a preference for menus in windows. There are some arguments in favor of that, but you are just articulating a preference here.

Really your comment has nothing to do with whether MacOS *just works(, you have articulated a list of preferences and desires for it to work more like other things you have more familiarity with.

You just want it to work differently - I.e. you just don’t like it.

I increasingly don’t like it either for various reasons, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t just work.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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I've heard that a lot: "If you complain about Linux then you installed it on the wrong computer, and you're using it wrong." Basically it's your fault when Linux doesn't work. Doesn't matter if 1 of 2000 packages or libraries has a system breaking bug. It's your fault if you "updated too soon", or "did not update yet". It's even your fault when bug reporting doesn't work the way the distribution maintainers designed…

"You're using Ubuntu, you should use Pop OS/Mint/Fedora/new Fedora/new/old Debian, it's flawless". And "you are using Gnome, I haven't had any issues with KDE, Plasma, XFCE, i3, Mate, oh Enlightenment, Enlightenment is the best."Why are you using Geary/Thunderbird/LibreOffice, I do all my email/coding/music in emacs/vim, you never have to leave the terminal and it has worked fine for over 30 years." "Everyone knows V…

Yes, exactly. And the classic: "idk, works for me", cracks me up every single time.
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