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Re: Tolerance is not a moral precept

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Tolerance is the plea of the dissident. Once he has assumed control he no longer has need for it and those who opposed him will not be so lucky.

this is the most totalitarian shit I've read in years

but it is how revolutions work, no?

Re: Tolerance is not a moral precept

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Absolutely,

> Tolerance is not a moral absolute; it is a peace treaty. Tolerance is a social norm because it allows different people to live side-by-side without being at each other’s throats.

> But the model of a peace treaty differs from the model of a moral precept in one simple way: the protection of a peace treaty only extends to those willing to abide by its terms. It is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others. A peace treaty is not a suicide pact.

Saying of tolerance as a peace treaties, one need to note of peace treaties being subject to abuse.

If you have peace talks in between every artillery barrage, the one to win will be the fastest one to shoot, and then to call the press, UN, and international peace mediators

Re: Tolerance is not a moral precept

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Tolerance is the plea of the dissident. Once he has assumed control he no longer has need for it and those who opposed him will not be so lucky.

this is the most totalitarian shit I've read in years

Its basic strategy. LGBT groups wanted tolerance in the 1970s, but now sue you out of business if you don't make a "transition-party cake". Same could be said for Muslims in Europe: they want tolerance now because their numbers are small, but when they get the majority, they might want to change a few things. https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-03-22/col...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is the most totalitarian shit I've read in years

Its basic strategy. LGBT groups wanted tolerance in the 1970s, but now sue you out of business if you don't make a "transition-party cake". Same could be said for Muslims in Europe: they want tolerance now because their numbers are small, but when they get the majority, they might want to change a few things. https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2021-03-22/col...

No, we've been fighting for equality, not simple tolerance. And btw, the cake maker won that case in court. If my business openly discriminated against Christians, you bet your ass I'd get sued into oblivion.

Re: Tolerance is not a moral precept

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> If one side has breached another’s rights, the injured party is no longer bound to respect the treaty rights of their assailant

This norm creates a market for casus belli.

I am reminded of how the Serbs kept talking about how the Croats massacred their ancestors and collaborated with Nazi Germany. Well, yes, that happened. And yet.

Or suppose you are an Indian Muslim, and you have been worshipping at the Babri Masjid (a mosque) just as your parents did. But then a Hindu mob is reminded in 1992 that, when it was constructed in the 16th century, it was built on top of a temple to Rama (indeed it is His birthplace!) -- what an outrage! So they tear it down with their bare hands. Have they delivered justice to your community?

(What actually happens: Violence breaks out between Hindus and Muslims, and pretty soon 2,000 people have been killed.)

There are people who benefit when society switches to "war mode", and they are not good people.

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