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China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by Supermancho »

swebs wrote: post #44
Supermancho wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went to Japan in the 90s. The amount of leftover Nazi symbols (carved everywhere, marked on city maps where old depots were, etc) and casual use of Nazi references in literature was shocking.

You sure those weren't actually Manji? They mark where temples are. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35349619

Manji are oriented correctly. They are ALL over. The signs for what is and is not a swaztika are also at every temple.

Any inhabitant of the temples will explain how german visitors would (infrequently) vandalize the temples. Not the intentional decoration (which is obvious) but the crude carvings into random wooden walls. I'm a little surprised that you can no longer find images of these carving after a few minutes of searching on the web. That's unfortunate, but I stand by my observations.

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by hutzlibu »

T-A wrote: post #58
hutzlibu wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked, Mao is not in charge anymore. Since a very long time. So anyway, you claim, china is worse, than the nazis regime? I would like to get some evidence of gas chambers then pls. Also, how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Peo...

"Murder" by its definition has to have intention in it.

Framing "the great leap forward" as murder qualifies as propaganda in my book.

It was indeed a horrible, human life neglecting catastrophic event, conducted by fanatic extremists imposing their ideology on others. Or rather a series of it. In effect manslaughter on mass scale - yes. But you cannot compare that in honesty to the holocaust - where with gas chambers the clear intention was to murder an entire race.

Such framing is not helping anything, definitely not with communication.

And about the list of chinas wars ... did you actually compare that to

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_mi...

?

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by jplr8922 »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #26
mdpopescu wrote: post #7

Wait till you hear that the US Senate pressured Facebook...

To do what, cover up an ongoing totalitarian oppression of millions of people on the basis of their ethnicity?

I agree with you. A month ago I found myself in a debate about the moral equivalency of the US empire vs CCP. My opponent seems to think that any form of power is equaly bad and that the goals and intent does not matter. Therefore, US and China are ''both equals''. I fail to understand how can this form on one-sidedness can come from...

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by illustriousbear »

Australia is riddled with this kind of Chinese pressure, particularly at universities.

My university went as far as to install an ugly out of place confucious statue. This was followed by being pressured to cancel a talk from the Dalai Llama. Then more recently PRC supporting students engaged in suppression of pro Hong Kong students with no consequences.

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by papaf »

PicassoCTs wrote: post #59
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #55

The funny thing is the more they do this the more we get to hear about the plight of the Uighurs.

Are you refering to those creepy youtube videos, about how happy the uighurs are? Or those fake offence videos, were they claim to be offended by news they cant even watch behind the great fire wall? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNfQ4wEfUxM

They are probably referring to concentration camps and forced sterilization [1]. The situation is described as a genocide by some human rights organizations [2].

[1] https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-a-milli...

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/09/chinas-treatme...

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Post by Veen »

leereeves wrote: post #51
hutzlibu wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poor standard of living, no freedom, constantly being lied to - and being aware of it and having finally the courage to do something about. Because other people had the courage first. Thats how it came down. Chinas populations is increasing their standard of living. So you think the outside world has to cripple their economy so the chinese people turn against their rulers? How would you feel about that, if you would…

Boycotts, disinvestment, and sanctions is how civil rights movements are fought. Of course the Chinese people won't know why other countries are pulling away, because their government won't allow that information to reach them and will blame foreign enemies instead, but blaming foreign powers only works for a limited time. And what better strategy would you suggest? What we shouldn't do is overlook abuses in other na…

> Boycotts, disinvestment, and sanctions is how civil rights movements are fought.

Boycotting a billion-strong nation is not the same as boycotting Amazon because you don't like its labor policies. China is a technically advanced millennia-old civilization with a huge army, vast geography, and a nationalistic population. If anything, boycotts and sanctions will increase nationalist feeling in China and create an unstable and dangerous situation. The U.S. and Europe do not have the economic leverage to take down the second biggest economy in the world without destroying themselves in the process.

Furthermore, as liberals never seem to learn, despite the disaster of Iraq, if you did succeed in instigating a "regime change" in China, the result is likely to be immediate destabilization of the whole region and a horrendous civil war with massive loss of life. It will not magically transform China into a happy democracy.

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by luckylion »

jplr8922 wrote: post #63
kspacewalk2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To do what, cover up an ongoing totalitarian oppression of millions of people on the basis of their ethnicity?

I agree with you. A month ago I found myself in a debate about the moral equivalency of the US empire vs CCP. My opponent seems to think that any form of power is equaly bad and that the goals and intent does not matter. Therefore, US and China are ''both equals''. I fail to understand how can this form on one-sidedness can come from...

I wouldn't argue that they are equals, but consider that the people you talk to might not care for the stated intents ("we will bring peace to the middle east because we're altruists"), but rather the obvious results ("we've removed stabilizing strong-men and now we have open chattel slavery back in Libya").

China is doing lots of shady stuff, and they too claim that it's for the best -- only in this case we (as in most people outside of China's sphere of influence) ignore the claims and look at the moves as as power plays with a PR narrative. The people you talked to might do the same for US actions.

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Post by gameswithgo »

villgax wrote: post #3

When you have properties & lobbyists with ties to the mainland not much you can fight off

Sure you can, with just an ounce of courage. This is shameful behavior. I hope that the leaders that frequent this forum can do better and set an example.

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Post by meowface »

illustriousbear wrote: post #64

Australia is riddled with this kind of Chinese pressure, particularly at universities. My university went as far as to install an ugly out of place confucious statue. This was followed by being pressured to cancel a talk from the Dalai Llama. Then more recently PRC supporting students engaged in suppression of pro Hong Kong students with no consequences.

>PRC supporting students engaged in suppression of pro Hong Kong students with no consequences.

Could you give more details, here? What were the PRC-supported students doing against the pro-Hong Kong students, and how did the university respond? That sounds pretty insane.

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Post by RugnirViking »

inglor_cz wrote: post #30
loceng wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a very narrow attempt at this where t-shirts with messaging on them were given out to people going to sit and watch NBA games that would be broadcast [in China]. They'd remove people initially if they didn't take off the shirts but in places like Toronto where you'd have many people wearing them and too much backlash, they just stopped having cameras showing the spectators in the stands.

There seems to be some space for flooding Twitter, Instagram and Facebook with photos and short clips taken by activist fans. The NBA bosses would then have to attempt to ban people from carrying their mobile phones to a game - a measure very unlikely to succeed.

None of those platforms are available in China, sadly.
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