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Re: Sick of these startup executives, painting a rosy picture for employees

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Best way is to not get involved. I don't mean don't get involved in startups but just don't follow so-called thought leaders and focus on yourself.

These posts are primarily to create engagement and promote themselves / their business. In general it's mostly hackneyed talking points because they are the most likely to get liked / retweeted.

Re: Sick of these startup executives, painting a rosy picture for employees

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“Continuous integration and testing practices" are useless when you are going to rewrite the software from ground up every year or two years. You just patch the software until it's time to throw it away. Many startups write something that they can sell, get experience, realize what they should have been doing instead, then do that.

“Continuous integration and testing practices" are not exactly a great burden, and you don't know when the thing you are working on is going to snowball and become the thing you need to nurture and grow. Even if you pivot, you will likely want to re-use code written for earlier attempts. I suspect the reason startups don't do the bare minimum here is because their developers tend to be cheaper and less experienced (a…

It's not that. For a startup figuring out what the product is and making it happens in parallel.

Product and product research are the same.

Re: Sick of these startup executives, painting a rosy picture for employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Continuous integration and testing practices" are useless when you are going to rewrite the software from ground up every year or two years. You just patch the software until it's time to throw it away. Many startups write something that they can sell, get experience, realize what they should have been doing instead, then do that.

“Continuous integration and testing practices" are not exactly a great burden, and you don't know when the thing you are working on is going to snowball and become the thing you need to nurture and grow. Even if you pivot, you will likely want to re-use code written for earlier attempts. I suspect the reason startups don't do the bare minimum here is because their developers tend to be cheaper and less experienced (a…

Actually you are more likely to rewrite and migrate away from that legacy codebase once you succeed/pivot

I recommend watching Kent Back’s 3X talk for that, I also wrote a blogpost about it: https://rchavesferna.medium.com/designed-v-evolutionary-code...

Re: Sick of these startup executives, painting a rosy picture for employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Continuous integration and testing practices" are not exactly a great burden, and you don't know when the thing you are working on is going to snowball and become the thing you need to nurture and grow. Even if you pivot, you will likely want to re-use code written for earlier attempts. I suspect the reason startups don't do the bare minimum here is because their developers tend to be cheaper and less experienced (a…

Actually you are more likely to rewrite and migrate away from that legacy codebase once you succeed/pivot I recommend watching Kent Back’s 3X talk for that, I also wrote a blogpost about it: https://rchavesferna.medium.com/designed-v-evolutionary-code...

In theory yes, you're supposed to migrate away from the legacy codebase.

In practice I've never, ever, ever seen that happen: it's too much upfront cost to start over, especially when you have real customers and real data on top of it and you need to keep pumping out new features.

Re: Sick of these startup executives, painting a rosy picture for employees

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In other news: water is wet. Company isn’t a family, HR isn’t your friend, CEOs care about shareholder value. But no point being upset about it, you can learn to filter the copro speak out.

Do you mean "copro" as in shit? Or "corpo" as in corporate?

All I can say is that typo is on point.

Re: Sick of these startup executives, painting a rosy picture for employees

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Big tears. Start ups are extremely high risk. If that’s not your cup of tea then go work for a mega Corp with better medical and retirement benefits.

The main complaint is about lies and misrepresentation as well as lack of empathy and appreciation; certainly that isn't particular to startups (and not all startups are like that) but your dismissal implies startup founders get some sort of pass for lying and generally behaving like shits.

Horrible people do horrible things. That is both unfair and unfortunate. I agree that horrible people are not unique to start ups, but unless completely bootstrapped even founders are beholden to someone. Even more unfortunate is that a founder owns a significant part of the company and so cannot be dismissed without some excessive reward.

Yet, that is the risk of being an early stage employee.

Re: Sick of these startup executives, painting a rosy picture for employees

#37

I'm CTO at a startup and I've made a 180 on this in the last year. I used to paint a rosey picture. Now I feel it's my duty to give employees full disclosure on what they can expect: cash burn, runway, technical debt, what we likely can and can not spend time on, that potential stock options should not influence the decision making, because the future is impossible to predict and it's very likely to be worth nothing.…

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Re: Sick of these startup executives, painting a rosy picture for employees

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“Continuous integration and testing practices? We think those things are great, but we’ve been too busy to get to that, because we’re a startup ...”

It's kind of like trying to save time on a marathon by not stopping to tie your shoelaces. I mean it takes maybe a day or two at most to set up a CI/CD pipeline with Github actions or something similar. It takes maybe a day to set up test runners, and you can just sprinkle in small tests as you go. There are plenty of templates you can find depending on your language/platform that do most of this out of the box. You…

I love your shoelaces analogy.

I’ve expressed it as sprinting forward as fast as you can while looking straight down at your feet - which is basically the exact same sentiment.

Of course there’s always “stopping to sharpen one’s saw”

A new I came up with myself “removing the stoplights hoping it will end rush hour sooner ...”

Re: Sick of these startup executives, painting a rosy picture for employees

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Continuous integration and testing practices? We think those things are great, but we’ve been too busy to get to that, because we’re a startup ...”

“Continuous integration and testing practices" are useless when you are going to rewrite the software from ground up every year or two years. You just patch the software until it's time to throw it away. Many startups write something that they can sell, get experience, realize what they should have been doing instead, then do that.

Your team’s velocity will be faster from week 2 through the end of the 2nd year if you build the rapid feedback cycles provided by automated testing and CI/CD into your progress from the beginning

UNLESS your team lacks the experience to build and maintain a test suite with a high benefit-to-cost ratio, which is unfortunately the case for most teams.

In this case I don’t have any good solutions, other than choosing one’s team and teammates carefully, before starting the project.

Re: Sick of these startup executives, painting a rosy picture for employees

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Am I the only one who doesn't see a rosy picture in the Twitter thread? The tone is definitely positive compared to huyenchip but it isn't idealized to the point of being disingenuous. I'd say it even paints an accurate depiction of a start-up's struggles.

Her first point is even "Play the long game". It's not an overnight success. "Wealth creation doesn't happen in one go, make it a long game, with regular payouts, that then get invested in some form again & grow more & more".

The Twitter thread and the blog post aren't contrasting experiences. Yes you had to do lots of something you didn't want to do but that something was you, an engineer, had to do market studies for a feature you would later build. Yes most startups won't offer a clear career trajectory because, quoting the thread, "Will you be a brilliant full stack engineer or do you have potential to start as a good one but can pickup quickly & grow into a data engineering role".

Yeah start-ups could overhype the experience the way they oversell their product. But I don't see the that in the thread.

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