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China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by luckylion »

Veen wrote: post #8
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US didn't have to pay for going to war with Irak while lying about wmd and against the UN vote, nor pay for its mass surveillance program or the secret torture bases. Why do you think China will pay for anything ? If a country is powerful enought, it will get away with anti democratic behavior without any consequences. Today nobody can oppose china. They have more population, provide the entire world with most pr…

> The US didn't have to pay for going to war with Irak On the contrary, it paid about $3 trillion, depending on whose estimates you believe.

You mean it shuffled money around from the federal budget into the pockets of American companies. The money does stay in the US for the most part (well, and even that which they sent in containers probably didn't disappear into Iraqi pockets).

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by hutzlibu »

ekianjo wrote: post #37
hutzlibu wrote: post #16

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Last time I checked, Mao is not in charge anymore. Since a very long time. So anyway, you claim, china is worse, than the nazis regime? I would like to get some evidence of gas chambers then pls. Also, how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US?

It does not need to be worse than the nazis to be considered bad. What kind of a ridiculous argument is that ?

If the argument is, opposing trade-embargo with china means also opposing trade embargo with nazis - then I think it is valid to point out the historic faults with that argument.

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by leereeves »

hutzlibu wrote: post #38
leereeves wrote: post #34

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As China continues to expand they make more people's lives worse, as we saw recently in Hong Kong, not so long ago in Tibet, and may soon see in Taiwan. That expansion is fueled by trade. So even if you're right that refusing to trade with China would not improve the life of the average Chinese person, it might improve the lives of people near China.

So, did US recent military interventions improved life of the local people? I really see no benefit of creating a new iron curtain. Rather the contrary. And collective punishments usually just tighten the collective bonds. So the best way to unite the chinese people behind their government would be the "free" world uniting against china. How did the sowjet union fall? By trade embargos? Or that its people were finall…

Why were the Soviet Union's people finally fed up with it? The poor standard of living was surely a part of that. By the same reasoning, trade with China helps sustain the CCP.

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Post by swebs »

Supermancho wrote: post #40
cletus wrote: post #31

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I spent almost a year in Germany and one thing I learned, and really appreciated, was that they were open and honest about the Holocaust and their role in it. It’s taught in schools. It’s never brushed over. Compared to say Japan. EDIT: not sure why the downvotes. Japan's whitewashing of war atrocities (eg Nanjing [1][2]). Is this Japanophilia? Or just that I'm not denouncing the current German education system? [1]:…

I went to Japan in the 90s. The amount of leftover Nazi symbols (carved everywhere, marked on city maps where old depots were, etc) and casual use of Nazi references in literature was shocking.

You sure those weren't actually Manji? They mark where temples are.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35349619

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by hutzlibu »

ekianjo wrote: post #39
hutzlibu wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked, Mao is not in charge anymore. Since a very long time. So anyway, you claim, china is worse, than the nazis regime? I would like to get some evidence of gas chambers then pls. Also, how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US?

China was involved in regional conflicts like helping north korea in the korean war, one of the bloodiest wars in recent history. They were also helping the communist party in Vietnam both against the French and the US.

And later they were also fighting Vietnam. I never claimed china is nice.

I claim trade embargos on countries that are not nice, are not helpful. As there are not many "nice" countries out there. Only a couple of small ones, come to my mind.

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by hutzlibu »

Supermancho wrote: post #36
hutzlibu wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked, Mao is not in charge anymore. Since a very long time. So anyway, you claim, china is worse, than the nazis regime? I would like to get some evidence of gas chambers then pls. Also, how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US?

> how many wars did communist china started, compared to the US? China's very prolific in using soldiers, to kill people, in the national interest. Similarly, the US and China both engage in large scale violence to promote their culture. A difference is that China's actions are performed within their borders (more or less) and are not as highly publicized. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_issues_in_China , https:…

As a qui gong practicer and mountaineer, I am very well aware of chinas atrocities.

But like you said, the US is maybe using soldiers to kill in national interest, too. And ethnic issues? How about black lifes matter?

But yes, the very big difference is, that in the US there can be a open discussion about, with potential political implications - while in china state cencorship is build in and the one party rule is not to be questioned.

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Post by hutzlibu »

leereeves wrote: post #43
hutzlibu wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, did US recent military interventions improved life of the local people? I really see no benefit of creating a new iron curtain. Rather the contrary. And collective punishments usually just tighten the collective bonds. So the best way to unite the chinese people behind their government would be the "free" world uniting against china. How did the sowjet union fall? By trade embargos? Or that its people were finall…

Why were the Soviet Union's people finally fed up with it? The poor standard of living was surely a part of that. By the same reasoning, trade with China helps sustain the CCP.

Poor standard of living, no freedom, constantly being lied to - and being aware of it and having finally the courage to do something about. Because other people had the courage first. Thats how it came down.

Chinas populations is increasing their standard of living. So you think the outside world has to cripple their economy so the chinese people turn against their rulers? How would you feel about that, if you would live in china just trying to pass by - and have your income halfed because of foreign powers? Would you believe the foreign powers words that they did so because of human rights?

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Post by ChemSpider »

Chinese diplomats even go after Children books: China gets German children's book about COVID withdrawn

https://www.dw.com/en/china-gets-german-childrens-book-about...

"The Chinese consulate in Hamburg promptly threatened the Carlsen publishing house with filing criminal charges, demanding the recall of the book as well as a public apology."

Re: China pressured Concordia University to cancel event with Uighur activist (2019)

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Post by [deleted] »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #29
onethought wrote: post #11

Imagine a country that locked up over 2 million people of a particular ethnic background[0]. Then when challenged about it ran propaganda about it being necessary. When activists rose up in peaceful protest they were assassinated[1]. And we sit idly by. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_... [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Martin_Luth... .

Oh for sure, for sure. A country where there's systemic bias against a racial group in the judicial system, and a famous activist who was murdered 50 years ago is *totally* the same thing as an ongoing totalitarian system of high-tech cultural genocide and mass incarceration/'reeducation' of an ethnic group. It's unbelievable that PRC partisans think this shameless nonsense will elicit anything but incredulous fury i…

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