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Who Owns the Nile?

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Re: Who Owns the Nile?

#71

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This is probably the most peaceful time in history, there is no armed conflict in the western hemishpere. https://time.com/4475617/how-peace-finally-came-to-reign-thr... Most of the world is at peace, it's a remarkable accomplishment.

The Ukraine versus Russia

That is eastern hemisphere

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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post #32

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Oops. I did know that, but my fingers did not. Thanks, I edited the original.

Rivers that flow northward mess up all of our brains a little bit,.

Apparently it was the reverse for the Ancient Egyptians when they marched into the Middle East, encountered the Euphrates and were shocked to find a river flowing South.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

#73
post #27

The old colonial treaty split the waters 85-15 between Egypt and Sudan ignoring all the other African countries. This is completely unsustainable, the poor uptream countries must have their share. Egypt just needs to use desalinization and water saving methods like other ME states.

The problem revolves around the filling duration. 3 years is way too fast for the downstream. thirsting the downstream is hardly ever a solution.

If only Egypt would realize that and cooperate with the upstream countries, or more specifically, Ethiopia. They could easily mitigate the issue with money, but they believe they have an ancient colonial right to command their neighboring countries.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably the most peaceful time in history, there is no armed conflict in the western hemishpere. https://time.com/4475617/how-peace-finally-came-to-reign-thr... Most of the world is at peace, it's a remarkable accomplishment.

My understanding is that economic interdependence deserves the bulk of the credit for this relative peace. Tying the economic prosperity of nations together makes it harder to rationalise physical conflict. But perhaps we can also thank global communications for making it that little bit harder (though still by no means impossible) to sufficiently otherise far away populations.

> economic interdependence deserves the bulk of the credit for this relative peace.

That was the thesis of a book called The Great Illusion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Illusion

The book argued a European war was very unlikely.

the economic interdependence between industrial countries would be "the real guarantor of the good behavior of one state to another", as it meant that war would be economically harmful to all the countries involved.

The book was published, to great acclaim, in... 1909.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Has the world always been this on-the-cusp of war? Turkey-Greece, Azerbaijan-Armenia, China-Taiwan, Ethiopia, Egypt-Uganda, Saudi-Iran-Yemen, Congo, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Russia-Ukraine, Morocco-Western Sahara-Algeria, India-China, India-Pakistan, Syria Maybe I've just been watching too much Caspian Report lately, and a lot of these issues are a century in the making, but damn if it doesn't feel like early WW2 issues…

This is probably the most peaceful time in history, there is no armed conflict in the western hemishpere. https://time.com/4475617/how-peace-finally-came-to-reign-thr... Most of the world is at peace, it's a remarkable accomplishment.

World Wars have always taken place primarily in the Eastern Hemisphere. I assume WWIII will be the same.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Water is life or death. So they might have to try it. Go block oil extraction in the Arab world and USA will be all over you...national interest.

Not anymore. The US is an oil exporting nation now.

> The US is an oil exporting nation now.

That is irrelevant. Oil is fungible. Block oil exports from the Middle East and the price of oil skyrockets worldwide including in the US.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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post #57

Doesn't Egypt have a really powerful military? If the dam's an existential threat to Egypt, why don't the Egyptians simply launch a military strike to blow it up?

Ah yes, the simple solution to many problems: violence and war.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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post #27

The old colonial treaty split the waters 85-15 between Egypt and Sudan ignoring all the other African countries. This is completely unsustainable, the poor uptream countries must have their share. Egypt just needs to use desalinization and water saving methods like other ME states.

The problem revolves around the filling duration. 3 years is way too fast for the downstream. thirsting the downstream is hardly ever a solution.

Nobody said it would fill in 3 years. The stated number of years is from 4 to 7.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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post #57

Doesn't Egypt have a really powerful military? If the dam's an existential threat to Egypt, why don't the Egyptians simply launch a military strike to blow it up?

This is stupid. If Ethiopia decides to hurt Egypt, it won't need to build a massive dam. Wasting water has never been too difficult. Egypt would do well to not create such an enemy at their water source.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

#80

Egypt literally dies as a nation without Nile water. Uganda purchasing SU27 advanced long range fighter bombers and Egypt recently placing increased emphasis and resources on training military units(including western training efforts) responsible for upstream Nile force projection is not a coincidence. Nile resource sharing is a massive flash point. I recall glancing at an engineering report that indicated clearing/d…

and the big ass damn in Ethiopia. Given the civil war there, don't be surprised in this turning into a bigger conflict.

From what I hear, a lot of the internal conflicts in Ethiopia is fuelled by undercover Egyption influence, trying to increase the internal conflicts to weaken the country.
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