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Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by pjmlp »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #167
jeswin wrote: post #142

If you're complaining about Linux drivers please do so after using a Laptop that supports Linux (Thinkpads for example). Just like it wouldn't be fair to complain about macOS on a Hackintosh - sound didn't work well and had to patch the DSDT. > but there are rough edges for the power user. > I am an extreme power user, ... > In the end, I was able to replicate most of my macOS power tools setup via input hooks and sh…

If you're complaining about Linux drivers please do so after using a Laptop that supports Linux (Thinkpads for example). So I Googled “laptops supported by Linux”. There is no official site. Ubuntu has a page. But it’s not on the first page of results. I only know about it because I’m familiar with it. Supporters keeps arguing people should jump through hoops. I’m on Linux right now, but people have better things to…

Even when bought with support, it might come with surprises.

I got the Asus 1215B with Linux, then Ubuntu decided to replace the perfectly working wlan driver with a FOSS one, except it took half an year to reach parity with the proprietary one.

Likewise, they decided to replace AMD driver with the open source one, goodbye OpenGL 4.1 now it doesn't do more than OpenGL 3.3, and hardware video decoding is still not a thing.

At the same time, the Windows DX 11 drivers shipped with the same hardware (it was Windows 7 back then), still work on Windows 10.

This kind of settled Linux on desktop for me, now it belongs to VMs, and on ChromeOS/WebOS/Android it is anyway just an implementation detail.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by nix23 »

rektide wrote: post #95
jeeeb wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can’t say I agree with this. I’ve been using Windows as my daily driver for the last decade since switching back from Mac+Linux for work reasons. Honestly there’s lots to like in Windows 10 even if there’s a bit of bloat around the edges. I cannot imagine wanting to go back to the bad old days of ME. Modern Windows is stable, secure, fast and has plenty in there for power users. Driver support and sleep mode is seaml…

having 4 different sound control panels is a sickening joke. there's so many disjointed laters on layers on layers everywhere. nothing is ever cleaned up, just new glossy over layers that don't quite work as well created atop the old. tragi-comic experience.

Not trying to argue, but god-mode is pretty cool, made probably because ms-dev's had the same problem.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by lostlogin »

karateka wrote: post #180
jeswin wrote: post #142

If you're complaining about Linux drivers please do so after using a Laptop that supports Linux (Thinkpads for example). Just like it wouldn't be fair to complain about macOS on a Hackintosh - sound didn't work well and had to patch the DSDT. > but there are rough edges for the power user. > I am an extreme power user, ... > In the end, I was able to replicate most of my macOS power tools setup via input hooks and sh…

> Finder is unbelievably bad compared to Nautilus Whats so bad about finder?

The ones that have bugged me today: It randomly forgets view preferences. There is something weird about SMB shares where they appear mounted but actually aren’t. It doesn’t have scroll bars in its default state.

MacOS is my favourite by a mile, but there are some major warts, though the finder isn’t my major gripe.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by pjmlp »

caslon wrote: post #221
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're complaining about Linux drivers please do so after using a Laptop that supports Linux (Thinkpads for example). So I Googled “laptops supported by Linux”. There is no official site. Ubuntu has a page. But it’s not on the first page of results. I only know about it because I’m familiar with it. Supporters keeps arguing people should jump through hoops. I’m on Linux right now, but people have better things to…

Not to give an argument along the lines of "You're holding it wrong," but...okay, yeah, I'm going to do that. You hold a gun in one way. If you mess that up in any fashion, you probably won't hit what you're trying to, and, worse, might shoot yourself. Saying things like "There is no official site" is holding Linux wrong. Linux isn't an operating system. Linux is just a kernel. So phrase your search the right way: "l…

With Linux to hold a gun, you have first to assemble it.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by carlesfe »

herpderperator wrote: post #234

> Yes, the apps I missed the most from the Mac were Mail.app, Calendar.app, and Preview.app. > I am an extreme power user Do those statements really go together? I'm not trying to stir anything; genuinely curious.

The article is built specifically around the irony of that contradiction

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by ungamedplayer »

PpEY4fu85hkQpn wrote: post #181
marcus_holmes wrote: post #78

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No it doesn't. It really doesn't. There are sooo many issues that are still not fixed, years after being reported. Apple's Support site has pages where there's hundreds of people saying "I have this problem too", and no comment from an Apple dev. I'm not blaming them. This shit is hard, even if you control both the hardware and the software. I get why they don't say "it just works" any more.

I'm going to shock you here but every platform has longstanding bugs with hundreds of people complaining about them.

Yah, but good luck penetrating the apple forcefield.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by seniorivn »

hurril wrote: post #223
zucker42 wrote: post #194

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Again, that's like googling "laptops supported by MacOS" and expecting to find a list of Hackintosh compatible hardware. Dell and Lenovo both sell laptops pre-installed with Linux, and there are also boutique shops like System76 and TUXEDO. And I DDGed "Linux Laptops" and got all these suggestions. Of course, Linux doesn't quite have the mass market consumer experience you get with MacOS or Windows, but it's not exac…

No it is absolutely not. That googling will find a list of hardware supported by Hackintosh and it will find Apple. Two very good responses. Laptops supported by Linux provides neither.

if ddg got desired results and your google didn't, it's an issue with google and how it serves you

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by peferron »

konart wrote: post #141
preommr wrote: post #39

What a topsy-turvy article. Mail is fine if you use browser-based solutions. Nobody is talking about only sending plaintext emails? Wtf? Why are they running so much stuff on wine? Why are they upgrading their kernel every few weeks? How does anyone think nautilus is good? How does anyone think that Gimp/inkscape are better than affinity designer? These are the things they find useful about linux? There's so much mor…

>Why are they upgrading their kernel every few weeks? I'm pretty sure I had like 4 kernel upgrades on my Fedora machine in the last month. >great window managers like i3 Tiling wms like i3 target a very narrow user base. Unless you are a sysadmin or just work only with terminal they are pretty useless. I don't have non-maximized windows for example (except for Telegram, Obsidian and iTerm quake-like instance)

> Tiling wms like i3 target a very narrow user base. Unless you are a sysadmin or just work only with terminal they are pretty useless.

If you only use the terminal, you don't need a tiling WM because tmux and others offer similar functionality out of the box.

Tiling WMs are useful in the opposite scenario, when you use many different apps and need a unified way to manage them all.

Re: Fed up with the Mac, I spent six months with a Linux laptop

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Post by one2three4 »

galkk wrote: post #176
jeswin wrote: post #142

If you're complaining about Linux drivers please do so after using a Laptop that supports Linux (Thinkpads for example). Just like it wouldn't be fair to complain about macOS on a Hackintosh - sound didn't work well and had to patch the DSDT. > but there are rough edges for the power user. > I am an extreme power user, ... > In the end, I was able to replicate most of my macOS power tools setup via input hooks and sh…

I own Thinkpad X1 extreme, that I bought with my own money, and chose as working laptop Thinkpad Carbon. Both are not working well with linux. 1. Carbon, due to it's intel chip, can not drive 4K and 2K external monitors via thunderbolt adapter. 2. I need to authorize dock (Lenovo's thunderbolt dock) after every reboot. 3. The screen tearing sucks. 4. I need to have pulse audio volume control window opened all the tim…

Curious. If you had to buy tomorrow, what would you do? Given that M1 Pro won't be out till end of 21(?) and despite that, current Pros don't seem to come with a reduced price.
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