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Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by Marsymars »

systemvoltage wrote: post #138
AshWolfy wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We love to say something isnt possible, while other countries do what we just said isnt possible.

USA is 330 million people. New Zealand is 1/2 the population of SF Bay Area. Just because NZ can demonstrate good COVID control, it cannot just apply at a massive nation. China has done it with authoritarian enforcement. There is no solution to this for USA, EU or large countries. Asian nations such as Japan and Korea are culturally different than the west. It’s impossible to change the culture of 330 million overnig…

Trying to explain away every incidence of successful covid-squashing as not applicable isn’t very convincing given that there aren’t any examples of jurisdictions that failed at a real attempt at covid squashing - every one of them succeeded. And this list is quite varied - it includes jurisdictions that are islands, that have long land borders, that are countries, that are sub-country-level, that are in the Anglosphere, that are outside of the Anglosphere, that have small populations, that have large populations, that are on three different continents, etc.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by whimsicalism »

guscost wrote: post #87
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

This may be unpopular to say, but anxiety could have caused some or all of these symptoms.

There is literature comparing many long covid cases with chronic fatigue syndrome. The medical establishment doesn't go out and say it outright, but I think the implication is that some of these symptoms may be anxiety driven.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by Izkata »

amluto wrote: post #103
Izkata wrote: post #100

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Both of which still have lockdowns. So no, they couldn't manage it either.

They periodically reimport it. If I had to guess, I would guess that COVID can be transmitted by fomites, especially if kept cold, but that it’s extremely rare. In a place like the US or Europe, this is insignificant: your chance of getting seriously sick due to touching something is negligible, and the rate of additional cases due to this effect is inconsequential for public health. But in AU or NZ, where the backgr…

> They periodically reimport it.

Right, so why would the US - with much more porous borders - somehow do better?

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by randomopining »

bserge wrote: post #97
randomopining wrote: post #38

I had both vaccines shots and prob got covid last week. Had no nasal congestion, 100F low fever coming and going, little fatigue, night sweats. After I felt more normal, developed a little cough that I still have.

Sounds close to my symptoms. Different than a cold because I had no nasal congestion, pain in my throat/neck, cough or the usual weird effects on my ears (sometimes one or the other feels "covered", an imbalance in hearing, when I have a cold). Shouldn't the vaccine have helped, though? I don't know.

Yeah, I suspect it could've been a variant (I was traveling in Costa Rica just prior) and I had a lessened episode.

Exactly the same about the lack of congestion. That's something I've never had in my life, cold symptoms without congestion. That's the reason why I think it was covid. Plus a little fatigue and muscle soreness.

Overall it was light, medium at most. But def something.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by Izkata »

lostlogin wrote: post #61
alacombe wrote: post #57

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According to https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/flu... , there has been pretty much no flu season this year compared to ~any other year (which in itself is highly suspect). Last week of January reported 55 vs 23,972 on average any other season.

I’m missing your angle - why is it suspect that there are so few cases?

Because the symptoms are so similar, it's possible it's still spreading but to the same people getting covid and people are only being diagnosed with covid.

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Post by hiisukun »

notahacker wrote: post #143
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #43

Long Covid is real. I had a mild case back in August, but it took around 5 months to feel 'normal' again. Lots of inexplicable things: Minor heart palpitations, feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. When I exercised, even moderately like running a half mile, I would feel strangely exhausted for many hours later. All of this has gone away now, but I can easily see how someone who is hospitalized could have a re…

> feeling of 'heaviness' behind my breastbone. You may already be aware of this but there's an organ there called the thymus which is a core part of the immune system (especially in younger people) Seems to be a symptom with relatively little discussion even in medical journals but can confirm I also had it for months after a relatively mild case, tending to reemerge due to tiredness or exercise.

I think you might mean there "was" an organ there!

The thymus (the favourite organ of a friend of mine) is quite unusual, being replaced by regular boring fatty tissue after childhood.

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Post by beagle3 »

Florin_Andrei wrote: post #115
timr wrote: post #102

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I now personally know over a dozen people (ranging from mid-20s up through upper 40s) who have had Covid-19. All had minor illness and are now fine. Which is not to say that others do not have lingering symptoms -- but if we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well?

We know that a majority of cases are asymptomatic or have minor symptoms. That's not news. But the weird long-COVID cases are problematic - they're real, they affect a certain slice of the demographics, and can be pretty serious and long-term.

They seem to be in line and comparable to other post-viral complications, see e.g. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.12.21253448v... ; prevalence is 13-14%, distribution of specific complaints is somewhat different.

They are definitely real, and can be serious and long term, but they likely aren't novel; I suspect ME/CFS, "long lyme" and a variety of other conditions often dismissed as psychosomatic by practitioners who can't find a test for them - are post viral/post infectious syndromes, and they will be joined by "long covid".

Perhaps some good will come of this - those "long sequelae" diseases will get more and proper attention.

But none of the data I've seen so far about "long covid" puts it out of line with what we've known about post-viral sequalae for ages.

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Post by dralley »

randomopining wrote: post #58
incrudible wrote: post #50

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Those symptoms are consistent with the dozens of common cold viruses that haven't diseappeared. Consider that many people get COVID tests because they are symptomatic , yet most of them are negative.

I've never had a cold without some level of nasal congestion. That's the only reason that I think it was most likely covid.

I believe I remember hearing some time ago that the most common and reliable symptom was loss of smell and/or taste.

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Post by martyvis »

systemvoltage wrote: post #138
AshWolfy wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We love to say something isnt possible, while other countries do what we just said isnt possible.

USA is 330 million people. New Zealand is 1/2 the population of SF Bay Area. Just because NZ can demonstrate good COVID control, it cannot just apply at a massive nation. China has done it with authoritarian enforcement. There is no solution to this for USA, EU or large countries. Asian nations such as Japan and Korea are culturally different than the west. It’s impossible to change the culture of 330 million overnig…

> it cannot just apply at a massive nation

And yet the massive USA clearly showed through COVID control that it is simply a collective of hundreds of fiefdoms (states, cities and even corporations) they for the most part were uncoordinated and did what was best for themselves, which turned out to be no good for no one.

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Post by spurgu »

nostrademons wrote: post #156
sangnoir wrote: post #108

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> but we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well? I haven't backed up my personal data in years and nothing nasty has happened, despite all those catastrophic data-loss stories you read online. I'm all for proportional reporting time, but strangely, no one reports on stories like mine - it's most…

Similarly, I've been wearing my seatbelt my whole life and have never gotten into an accident while driving. My kid was placed on his back in the crib without any pillows or blankets, even though he hated it, but never once stopped breathing. I have health insurance but ... shit, there was that one time in high school where a kidney infection put me in the hospital and would've killed me had I not gone, was billed at…

I'm certainly not going to live through my life worrying about everything that could happen or go wrong. I've driven without a seatbelt a lot in my life (I once drove into a ditch at maybe 40-50 km/h without one, not even a scratch - lucky!).

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying I quite disagree with you that death is so much worse than anything else. Why is death so bad? It's the only certainty you actually have in life. There's an average age of death but you're quite unlikely to die at that specific one. It's gonna come either expectedly (like a cancer diagnosis giving you X months to live) or unexpectedly (an accident). Just accept it and stop trying to fight it by trying to minimize the risk since it'll happen anyways. Instead think about whether there are things you want to prepare for those left behind when you do go. And then stop worrying and enjoy the ride while it lasts. It's just a dice roll anyways, try to have fun! Don't hold back. Challenge yourself, face your fears, jump into the unknown. Don't try to follow the recipe for a perfect harm-free life to the book. That sounds like an insanely boring life to me but I suppose YMMV.

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