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Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by Freestyler_3 »

sremani wrote: post #6
baybal2 wrote: post #2

I know how it will work. Most likely nothing will happen. Egyptian regime is very fragile, and will not risk a foreign intervention while having to suppress monthly uprisings back home.

The crisis of lack of water is bigger, who ever bombs the shit out of Great Renaissance Dam is going to be popular in Egypt. Egypt more than one occasion came close to doing something like that. Long story short. Who ever has better military capabilities will own the Nile. Egypt can use Suez as another piece to get Europe to accept its bombing campaign.

Why bomb a damn when you can hack it.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by DeRock »

chriselles wrote: post #12

Egypt literally dies as a nation without Nile water. Uganda purchasing SU27 advanced long range fighter bombers and Egypt recently placing increased emphasis and resources on training military units(including western training efforts) responsible for upstream Nile force projection is not a coincidence. Nile resource sharing is a massive flash point. I recall glancing at an engineering report that indicated clearing/d…

Great video on this subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BCY0SPOFpE

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by reducesuffering »

medium_burrito wrote: post #26
chriselles wrote: post #12

Egypt literally dies as a nation without Nile water. Uganda purchasing SU27 advanced long range fighter bombers and Egypt recently placing increased emphasis and resources on training military units(including western training efforts) responsible for upstream Nile force projection is not a coincidence. Nile resource sharing is a massive flash point. I recall glancing at an engineering report that indicated clearing/d…

and the big ass damn in Ethiopia. Given the civil war there, don't be surprised in this turning into a bigger conflict.

Has the world always been this on-the-cusp of war?

Turkey-Greece, Azerbaijan-Armenia, China-Taiwan, Ethiopia, Egypt-Uganda, Saudi-Iran-Yemen, Congo, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Russia-Ukraine, Morocco-Western Sahara-Algeria, India-China, India-Pakistan, Syria

Maybe I've just been watching too much Caspian Report lately, and a lot of these issues are a century in the making, but damn if it doesn't feel like early WW2 issues arising along with the geopolitical implications of climate change.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by scythe »

vfclists wrote: post #16

Egypt is not a "proper" country. It is simply a string of settlements along the banks of Nile river and its delta. Don't let the large trapezoid shape fool you. Most of that is the result of a line on the ground drawn by colonialists. If you want see a country like Egypt look at the Gambia, another country drawn along the eponymous river wholly surrounded by Senegal, another product of colonial machinations.

Over 90 million people live on that insignificant river! Egypt was the center of the Mughal Sultanate that beat the Crusaders and the Mongols. They went into decline under the Ottomans and never really recovered — infamously, they faced the Ottoman guns with swords and bows in 1517 and were unceremoniously trounced.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by thaumasiotes »

reducesuffering wrote: post #43
medium_burrito wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and the big ass damn in Ethiopia. Given the civil war there, don't be surprised in this turning into a bigger conflict.

Has the world always been this on-the-cusp of war? Turkey-Greece, Azerbaijan-Armenia, China-Taiwan, Ethiopia, Egypt-Uganda, Saudi-Iran-Yemen, Congo, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Russia-Ukraine, Morocco-Western Sahara-Algeria, India-China, India-Pakistan, Syria Maybe I've just been watching too much Caspian Report lately, and a lot of these issues are a century in the making, but damn if it doesn't feel like early WW2 issues…

> Has the world always been this on-the-cusp of war?

Usually much more so.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by wl »

Etheryte wrote: post #40
vfclists wrote: post #16

Egypt is not a "proper" country. It is simply a string of settlements along the banks of Nile river and its delta. Don't let the large trapezoid shape fool you. Most of that is the result of a line on the ground drawn by colonialists. If you want see a country like Egypt look at the Gambia, another country drawn along the eponymous river wholly surrounded by Senegal, another product of colonial machinations.

Roughly 70% of the world population lives within 5 km of a body of water [0]. By this definition, every country is a string of settlements along water. [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3110782/

The difference is that many places have more bodies of water for people to live next to. In Egypt, you've got the Nile, the Faiyum, and a smattering of oases.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by p1mrx »

chriselles wrote: post #12

Egypt literally dies as a nation without Nile water. Uganda purchasing SU27 advanced long range fighter bombers and Egypt recently placing increased emphasis and resources on training military units(including western training efforts) responsible for upstream Nile force projection is not a coincidence. Nile resource sharing is a massive flash point. I recall glancing at an engineering report that indicated clearing/d…

Egypt is in an ideal location for solar-powered desalination... if they can afford it.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

reducesuffering wrote: post #43
medium_burrito wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and the big ass damn in Ethiopia. Given the civil war there, don't be surprised in this turning into a bigger conflict.

Has the world always been this on-the-cusp of war? Turkey-Greece, Azerbaijan-Armenia, China-Taiwan, Ethiopia, Egypt-Uganda, Saudi-Iran-Yemen, Congo, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Russia-Ukraine, Morocco-Western Sahara-Algeria, India-China, India-Pakistan, Syria Maybe I've just been watching too much Caspian Report lately, and a lot of these issues are a century in the making, but damn if it doesn't feel like early WW2 issues…

Those are small conflicts and skirmishes.

Take India-China. Those borderguards were literally fighting eachother with rocks and sticks because they don't issue guns to them PRECISELY to avoid war.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by reducesuffering »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #48
reducesuffering wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has the world always been this on-the-cusp of war? Turkey-Greece, Azerbaijan-Armenia, China-Taiwan, Ethiopia, Egypt-Uganda, Saudi-Iran-Yemen, Congo, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Russia-Ukraine, Morocco-Western Sahara-Algeria, India-China, India-Pakistan, Syria Maybe I've just been watching too much Caspian Report lately, and a lot of these issues are a century in the making, but damn if it doesn't feel like early WW2 issues…

Those are small conflicts and skirmishes. Take India-China. Those borderguards were literally fighting eachother with rocks and sticks because they don't issue guns to them PRECISELY to avoid war.

Until they're not? Major conflicts always seem to be negative feedback loop series of escalations.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by dantheman »

reducesuffering wrote: post #43
medium_burrito wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and the big ass damn in Ethiopia. Given the civil war there, don't be surprised in this turning into a bigger conflict.

Has the world always been this on-the-cusp of war? Turkey-Greece, Azerbaijan-Armenia, China-Taiwan, Ethiopia, Egypt-Uganda, Saudi-Iran-Yemen, Congo, Myanmar, Afghanistan, Russia-Ukraine, Morocco-Western Sahara-Algeria, India-China, India-Pakistan, Syria Maybe I've just been watching too much Caspian Report lately, and a lot of these issues are a century in the making, but damn if it doesn't feel like early WW2 issues…

This is probably the most peaceful time in history, there is no armed conflict in the western hemishpere. https://time.com/4475617/how-peace-finally-came-to-reign-thr...

Most of the world is at peace, it's a remarkable accomplishment.

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