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Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by gorkemyurt »

slibhb wrote: post #7
baybal2 wrote: post #2

I know how it will work. Most likely nothing will happen. Egyptian regime is very fragile, and will not risk a foreign intervention while having to suppress monthly uprisings back home.

I think a war with Ethiopia would help the Egyptian regime, assuming it went well. And it probably would because Egypt's military is the strongest in the region minus Israel. The real question is what Sudan would do (probably lie down for the Egyptians).

"Egypt's military is the strongest in the region minus Israel." and minus Turkey

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by yyyk »

gorkemyurt wrote: post #30
yyyk wrote: post #27

The old colonial treaty split the waters 85-15 between Egypt and Sudan ignoring all the other African countries. This is completely unsustainable, the poor uptream countries must have their share. Egypt just needs to use desalinization and water saving methods like other ME states.

well Egypt is the downstream country in this case..

Oops. I did know that, but my fingers did not. Thanks, I edited the original.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by cbnotfromthere »

yyyk wrote: post #25
sremani wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The crisis of lack of water is bigger, who ever bombs the shit out of Great Renaissance Dam is going to be popular in Egypt. Egypt more than one occasion came close to doing something like that. Long story short. Who ever has better military capabilities will own the Nile. Egypt can use Suez as another piece to get Europe to accept its bombing campaign.

Egypt doesn't have the capability. Their air force has too little range and too little refueling capability.

https://dailynewsegypt.com/2021/03/31/egypt-sudan-air-forces...

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by HorkHunter »

yyyk wrote: post #27

The old colonial treaty split the waters 85-15 between Egypt and Sudan ignoring all the other African countries. This is completely unsustainable, the poor uptream countries must have their share. Egypt just needs to use desalinization and water saving methods like other ME states.

The problem revolves around the filling duration. 3 years is way too fast for the downstream. thirsting the downstream is hardly ever a solution.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by LanceH »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #5
didibus wrote: post #4

It's crazy that Great Britain was even ever involved in a treaty related to this.

At some point there were just a bunch of tribes living around the world without much of a horizon. A "real" country played them against each other

Ah yes, disrupting the historically peaceful coexistence of the middle east.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by HorkHunter »

baybal2 wrote: post #19
sremani wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The crisis of lack of water is bigger, who ever bombs the shit out of Great Renaissance Dam is going to be popular in Egypt. Egypt more than one occasion came close to doing something like that. Long story short. Who ever has better military capabilities will own the Nile. Egypt can use Suez as another piece to get Europe to accept its bombing campaign.

> who ever bombs the shit out of Great Renaissance Dam is going to be popular in Egypt. Would they? GERD destruction = tsunami on the nile, possibly setting a chain reaction through downstream dams. Sisi has now managed to beat even Murbarak on getting the lowest rating on record from any semblance of legit polls done nowadays. Turkey is all over Ethiopia, and Sudan on top of that. And Sisi has a paranoid fear of Tur…

That is really old news. read the current situation between Turkey and Egypt, which is actually getting better https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-egypt-diplomacy-id...

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by HorkHunter »

yyyk wrote: post #25
sremani wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The crisis of lack of water is bigger, who ever bombs the shit out of Great Renaissance Dam is going to be popular in Egypt. Egypt more than one occasion came close to doing something like that. Long story short. Who ever has better military capabilities will own the Nile. Egypt can use Suez as another piece to get Europe to accept its bombing campaign.

Egypt doesn't have the capability. Their air force has too little range and too little refueling capability.

That was the case before they bought the Rafale from France I guess

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by wavefunction »

didibus wrote: post #4

It's crazy that Great Britain was even ever involved in a treaty related to this.

Is it? I think you'll find similar "involvement" around the world. The Great Partition of Pakistan and India, and Pakistan and Bangladesh/East-Pakistan spring to mind.

Re: Who Owns the Nile?

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Post by Etheryte »

vfclists wrote: post #16

Egypt is not a "proper" country. It is simply a string of settlements along the banks of Nile river and its delta. Don't let the large trapezoid shape fool you. Most of that is the result of a line on the ground drawn by colonialists. If you want see a country like Egypt look at the Gambia, another country drawn along the eponymous river wholly surrounded by Senegal, another product of colonial machinations.

Roughly 70% of the world population lives within 5 km of a body of water [0]. By this definition, every country is a string of settlements along water.

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3110782/

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