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Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by Spooky23 »

timr wrote: post #102
bserge wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll just add my own experience. I had almost no symptoms, no cough, no taste loss, not even sniffles. Likely infection date 15th of February. PCR test on the 24th of February. No symptoms at that point. 2 days later, I started feeling more tired than usual. The next day I had a mild fever and was sweating more than usual when exercising. This lasted 3 days, after which I only felt the fatigue for another 5 days. No…

I now personally know over a dozen people (ranging from mid-20s up through upper 40s) who have had Covid-19. All had minor illness and are now fine. Which is not to say that others do not have lingering symptoms -- but if we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well?

I have had a lot of exposed colleagues and friends. (~100 total) It’s a bell curve ranging from nothing to death.

The hard part is unless you have diabetes or similar, it seems random to me. And I don’t see good accounting of long term symptoms.

The political bullshit is such that we won’t really know what’s up for a few years.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by Wohlf »

oger wrote: post #131
guscost wrote: post #87

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This may be unpopular to say, but anxiety could have caused some or all of these symptoms.

You don't die from anxiety.

You don't die from obesity either, you die from the effects it has on the body.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by azakai »

incrudible wrote: post #78
azakai wrote: post #59

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They did account for underlying health conditions. The control group was matched for relevant clinincal diagnoses, as well as general health factors like BMI and smoking (see "matching variables" section in the paper).

I see that they were matched now, still the control group wasn't hospitalized , which must skew the result. Looking at the tables, you might get the idea that COVID hospitalization causes a lot of diabetes. The way they arrive at that is to count the diabetes diagnoses made after COVID admission. However to me it seems far more likely that a diabetic without a diagnosis (which is common) gets hospitalized with COVID,…

See the discussion above - it's very intentional that the control group wasn't hospitalized. It's the right approach for the question they are trying to answer, "how bad off is a person that got COVID and got hospitalized as a result of that".

(There are other good questions to ask too, of course.)

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by spookthesunset »

rorykoehler wrote: post #70
mdoms wrote: post #66

The only reason you've had to endure this for over a year is because you never once tried to do it properly. 6 weeks of hard (proper) lockdown followed by sensible plans to manage outbreaks and boom you'd have been done. But no, Americans absolutely refuse to work together, to pull in the same direction, to achieve something.

Europeans were no different. It’s changed my perspective on who we are and not in a good way.

If your plan requires 100% compliance to succeed, it failed before you even started. Good plans operate within the realities of human nature and respect people's inalienable human rights.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by spookthesunset »

mdoms wrote: post #89
dnautics wrote: post #82

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you can't say it would have worked. There are places that locked down harder than the US and still fared worse. I'll remind you that the EU had 1.5x the population adjusted mortality of the US, before their immunization shenanigans; and that's despite the US having an irresponsible science-denier president.

Half a million dead Americans. Fair to say what you're doing didn't work.

> Half a million dead Americans.

One of the hardest challenges of leadership is resisting the urge to DO SOMETHING when crisis happens.

> Fair to say what you're doing didn't work.

And yet western nations keep trying the same failed policies over and over again and getting the same results.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by nostrademons »

sangnoir wrote: post #108
timr wrote: post #102

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I now personally know over a dozen people (ranging from mid-20s up through upper 40s) who have had Covid-19. All had minor illness and are now fine. Which is not to say that others do not have lingering symptoms -- but if we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well?

> but we're going to emphasize scary anecdotes, it seems like we should spend proportional time reporting the vastly larger number of anecdotes that are not scary, as well? I haven't backed up my personal data in years and nothing nasty has happened, despite all those catastrophic data-loss stories you read online. I'm all for proportional reporting time, but strangely, no one reports on stories like mine - it's most…

Similarly, I've been wearing my seatbelt my whole life and have never gotten into an accident while driving. My kid was placed on his back in the crib without any pillows or blankets, even though he hated it, but never once stopped breathing. I have health insurance but ... shit, there was that one time in high school where a kidney infection put me in the hospital and would've killed me had I not gone, was billed at a hundred grand or so, but insurance covered the whole thing.

There's a reason we pay attention to tail risks, where the low-probability negative consequences are far worse than the high-probability costs of averting them. The vast majority of people are not going to die in car crashes, or of SIDS, or of COVID, or from untreated kidney infections. They are lucky. But the consequences of death are so much worse than the costs of wearing a mask, or not seeing your friends in person, or dealing with anxiety, that it's worth taking some precautions even if the chance that you'll die from COVID is low.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by dnautics »

mdoms wrote: post #89
dnautics wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can't say it would have worked. There are places that locked down harder than the US and still fared worse. I'll remind you that the EU had 1.5x the population adjusted mortality of the US, before their immunization shenanigans; and that's despite the US having an irresponsible science-denier president.

Half a million dead Americans. Fair to say what you're doing didn't work.

Nobody is arguing that what the US did "worked". I am saying we don't know that what you are proposing would have "worked".

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by jhayward »

klyrs wrote: post #120
bserge wrote: post #93

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I'll just add my own experience. I had almost no symptoms, no cough, no taste loss, not even sniffles. Likely infection date 15th of February. PCR test on the 24th of February. No symptoms at that point. 2 days later, I started feeling more tired than usual. The next day I had a mild fever and was sweating more than usual when exercising. This lasted 3 days, after which I only felt the fatigue for another 5 days. No…

So... you weren't hospitalized, and also weren't readmitted to the hospital? What's the purpose of this anecdote?

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Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by spookthesunset »

castis wrote: post #65
anoncake wrote: post #48

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> Long Covid is real. But temporary -- and not all that long compared to the hell we've all had to endure for more than a year now -- except in extremely rare cases. Evidence to the contrary is welcome, after more than a year there should be some.

I wish to point out that the hell you're describing is also temporary, and would have possibly been much shorter if everyone had just gone along with it from the start.

> would have possibly been much shorter if everyone had just gone along with it from the start.

So what you are saying is, despite "the experts" saying exactly the opposite... by slowing the spread of covid we'd somehow be out of this sooner?

Do you guys realize how insane this logic sounds? The goal of these lockdowns was to intentionally slow down the spread. Not stop or eradicate covid. Harder lockdowns mean this goes on much longer.

How can people genuinely think otherwise? It's like basic math.

Re: Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months

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Post by dnautics »

lifeformed wrote: post #85
dnautics wrote: post #77

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you're also an island. there's a strong multiscalar correlation between being an island and having good covid outcomes. NZ, Taiwan, South Korea (not technically an island, but might as well be), Australia, Japan. And at subnational levels too: The best us state is Hawaii. The best city in the bay area is Alameda.

How does being an island help? Are America's covid problems primarily caused by infected Mexicans crossing the border? Do the islands you listed not have much air travel?

Alameda is just enough of a pain in the ass to get to that nobody really goes there unless they need to. That's what helps. People WANT to go to hawaii, but it's pretty easy to cut off (and they did). Note if you are unfamiliar with the geography and look up "Alameda" numbers, you'll probably get Alameda County, which more than just Alameda the island. Alameda County is, interestingly, the worst county in the bay area.
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