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If people were locked down, how were they getting infected? The simple answer would be that they weren't actually following lockdown orders. That's the nice thing about the lockdown; if you actually do it it's impossible for it to fail. It's 100% effective.

Somehow, the fact that people did not observe the lockdown is being used as a cudgel and a justification for states that did not. We have no way of knowing if it would have been better in California without a lockdown, do we? Because California is not Florida or any other state in the Union. Their situation is unique.

> The Hoover Institution, officially the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution, and Peace, is a conservative American public policy institution and research institution that promotes personal and economic liberty, free enterprise, and limited government.

Imagine my surprise.

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One of the authors here was the lead on the early Stanford antibody prevalence study that had numerous issues: https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/04/19/fatal-flaw...

It also did not report a possible funding conflict: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/stanford-...

Have not picked through the statistics cited in the article yet, but I'd be careful with the conclusions derived from them.

Edit: Direct link to Buzzfeed article.

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Was there a failed response? Yup.

But were people ready to incarcerate people in quarantine centers for not complying? Because that's what it was going to take.

And while I will blame one particular political party of seditionists quite loudly for a huge part of the failure, I also remember the videos of the police calmly walking down the street breaking up a "birthday party" (har har) of a couple dozen people while being called all manner of racist slurs.

Stupid is sadly universal.

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If people were locked down, how were they getting infected? The simple answer would be that they weren't actually following lockdown orders. That's the nice thing about the lockdown; if you actually do it it's impossible for it to fail. It's 100% effective. Somehow, the fact that people did not observe the lockdown is being used as a cudgel and a justification for states that did not. We have no way of knowing if it…

I see a parallel with socialism, every example of where it fails I see people saying “but they didn’t do it right”.

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If people were locked down, how were they getting infected? The simple answer would be that they weren't actually following lockdown orders. That's the nice thing about the lockdown; if you actually do it it's impossible for it to fail. It's 100% effective. Somehow, the fact that people did not observe the lockdown is being used as a cudgel and a justification for states that did not. We have no way of knowing if it…

I see a parallel with socialism, every example of where it fails I see people saying “but they didn’t do it right”.

Well, at least with socialism you can argue that it's not actually possible to do it right. You could argue that here too but it would be provably false instead of just obviously so.