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Richard Stallman Removed from the GCC Steering Committee

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Re: Richard Stallman Removed from the GCC Steering Committee

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

Another interesting comment from the thread:

> 4. Regarding morality. This letter (like many other sjw creatures) says many words about morality, diversity, but at the end of the day it boils down to removing Stallman from position. As a citizen of post-soviet country I can vividly see that this letter is enterely about politics and looks very similar to communist agenda which likes to hide authoritarian policies behind morality. It is very surprising for people from former Soviet block countries to see western world falling into 'very familiar' but notorious propaganda.

I believe it's not something specific to communism but to human nature. People in power tend to have low tolerance towards opposing views and perceive them as a threat. Hence the 'you are either with us or against us' attitude, both from the left and right. In the end, people with more balanced views, or with no particular opinion on a give issue, seem to be in minority and as a consequence are afraid to speak up. This strengthens the position of those who have an axe to grind - it's a vicious circle.

Re: Richard Stallman Removed from the GCC Steering Committee

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Post by bigbillheck »

Guest42 wrote: post #20
s_Hogg wrote: post #14

Another reminder that no-one is irreplaceable. I'm sure GCC will continue without him, one way or another.

Technically yes, but in his case there is a level of genius and dedication that is beyond expert level. There is also a good chance that potential replacements aren’t available to take on the responsibilities.

Per https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-March/235091.html , Stallman's last code contribution to GCC was in 2003, and before that 1997.

Re: Richard Stallman Removed from the GCC Steering Committee

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Post by jcranmer »

logicchains wrote: post #5
nix23 wrote: post #3

Already GPLv3 infected.... But fun-fact: >The GCC Steering Committee is committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disabilities, neurodiversity, physical appearance, body size, ethnicity, nationality, race, age, religion, or similar personal characteristics.

Sounds like GCC is going to go down the same path as the Gnome Foundation, focusing on pursuing a political agenda at the expense of developing quality software.

It already has gone down the path. One of the more notable advancements in the past decade or so is the increase in language tooling that isn't strictly related to compilation: improved static analysis tools, language servers, formatters, etc. These require high-quality ASTs to get correct, and for C/C++ especially, you need to have the AST backed by a codegen somewhere to know you got it correct. Yet GCC has resisted adding support for this, because of fears that it would make it easier to subvert the GPL, à la Dragonegg.

Re: Richard Stallman Removed from the GCC Steering Committee

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Post by sadmann1 »

These foundations have always been a thorn in the sides of corporate interests. Kicking their teeth in under the guise of tolerance is an efficient way of doing it. Weird how the movement is as tolerant as the nazis to whoever doesn't subscribe to their buzzwords and blatant exploitation of minorities' problems for faux outrage.

Re: Richard Stallman Removed from the GCC Steering Committee

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Post by mumblemumble »

s_Hogg wrote: post #14

Another reminder that no-one is irreplaceable. I'm sure GCC will continue without him, one way or another.

Frankly, if it couldn't, that would be a serious problem.

Speaking for myself, I've got a lot of opinions, many - admittedly not all - of which overlap with the ones outlined in the GNU manifesto. One that may differ is that I'm simply unable to trust a cult of personality. GNU is already dangerously close to that, and I've sometimes wondered if there's cause for splintering off a group that is more firmly centered on Free Software instead of on Richard Stallman.

Re: Richard Stallman Removed from the GCC Steering Committee

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Post by b0sk »

nix23 wrote: post #3

Already GPLv3 infected.... But fun-fact: >The GCC Steering Committee is committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disabilities, neurodiversity, physical appearance, body size, ethnicity, nationality, race, age, religion, or similar personal characteristics.

Ah. The Paradox of Tolerance defense. "If my intolerance is not allowed, are you folks really tolerant?"

https://miro.medium.com/max/1200/1*TnDoAk0BjC7x4OuBISbYCw.jp...

Re: Richard Stallman Removed from the GCC Steering Committee

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Post by betterdedthnred »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #21

Another interesting comment from the thread: > 4. Regarding morality. This letter (like many other sjw creatures) says many words about morality, diversity, but at the end of the day it boils down to removing Stallman from position. As a citizen of post-soviet country I can vividly see that this letter is enterely about politics and looks very similar to communist agenda which likes to hide authoritarian policies beh…

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Re: Richard Stallman Removed from the GCC Steering Committee

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Post by valgor »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #16
skj wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, because welcoming all regardless of irrelevant background details precludes quality software.

you don't seen to realize the irony that under the appearance of "being welcoming", those committees are only welcoming to whoever complies with their political agenda.

That is just another form of the tolerance paradox. And the conclusion of that would say, yes, only welcome people that are socially open minded people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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