Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard • Hacker News Board

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by rchaud » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 7:08 PM UTC

darau1 wrote: post #30

I really wish they would just make some keyboard-case-love-child for some of the more popular mainstream devices. I really want a physical keyboard, but I don't want to give up my daily driver for a $900 unknown variable.

Samsung used to make these for their flagships, but stopped after the Galaxy S8 in 2017. I had the case for the GS7, it was pretty good if expensive at CAD 70.

After 2 years though it started missing keystrokes, and I needed to take it off and clip it back on to get it to work.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by shard » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 7:46 PM UTC

InitialLastName wrote: post #312

arghwhat wrote: post #77

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> Most people carry around several liters of blood inside them. Emphasis on “most”.

I really worry about the exceptions to that.

Only on HN would I be incentivized to Google "amount of blood in a baby". It turns out babies have about 75mL of blood per kg, so an 8 pound baby would have about 270 mL of blood. Infants/toddlers up to ~29lbs (between 2~4 years old) will have less than a liter of blood.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by aembleton » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 7:53 PM UTC

NathanielK wrote: post #92

maxsilver wrote: post #69

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You can have both, with no drawbacks. My favourite phone ever designed was the BlackBerry Priv. It was an Android-based smartphone with a full-sized (5.4in) touchscreen, an completely-hidden slide-out physical keyboard, that also doubled as a touch-sensitive pad. You could "swipe" (touchscreen-style) over the keys, and then press down on those same physical keys simultaneously. But you could also slide it back into t…

BlackBerry's keyboard software is excellent too. I use BlackBerry Keyboard[1] on my compact Xperia. The auto-suggests appear on the keys themselves. This saves valuable real-estate compared to having an extra row of words above the keyboard. Sadly BlackBerry haven't released new hardware for ~3 years and their software is barely on life support. A shame since they have a knack for functional design. [1] https://play.…

I was going to try that keyboard out but it isn't compatible with my phone (Android 10). Not sure why.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by shard » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 7:57 PM UTC

reasonabl_human wrote: post #96

BossingAround wrote: post #40

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> What segment does the physical keyboard appeal to? I definitely welcome this. Swipe typing has been completely unusable for me, personally (I must be doing it wrong, Galaxy S10) and the display registers so many typos when I type that I often break out the whole laptop to type a simple whatsapp message. The price is steep; if the phone is good though, it definitely interests me.

Whoa... maybe it’s the jenky touchwiz software Samsung bundles on galaxies (if that’s still the case?). Try installing the default google keyboard and setting it as default. Back when I used android, the Google keyboard swipe capability was solid, this was on an LG G6 with some debloated vanilla android rom. Although I have to say, moving back to iOS has been pretty amazing. Swiping on the normal iOS keyboard allowed…

Different software keyboards definitely have different swiping requirements. I've found that Samsung swiping keyboards need sharper angles at direction changes to help with recognition. Other swiping keyboards are more okay with smooth continuous curves.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by jbay808 » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 8:05 PM UTC

regularfry wrote: post #309

jbay808 wrote: post #256

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I put my phone in my front pocket. My front pocket can accommodate reasonably thick items like my wallet, but if they're too wide and long, it interferes with my ability to bend at the waist.

Keys and change go in front pockets. Things with screens don't go in those pockets.

Keys in my left pocket, phone in my right.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by evolve2k » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 8:32 PM UTC

k_ wrote: post #249

Sodman wrote: post #170

I still consider my old Nokia E70[0] my favorite phone of all time, so I am definitely in the target demographic for this, as I'm 100% sold on the usefulness of a physical keyboard on a phone... However the CPU just doesn't match the "pro" branding, or the price range. I'd personally rather throw an extra $200-300 on top to get a flagship CPU and then it would be close to a perfect phone for me! As it currently is, t…

Seems like we're looking for similar things. I am currently waiting for delivery of my Astro Slide [0] [0]: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/astro-slide-5g-transforme... which has android / linux dual boot. Not sure if performance are what you are looking for.

Are you sure that thing is legit? As a designer, I’m looking over the pics and my gut feel is that something is off. Look at the picture of the girl taking the selfie, where’s the hinges like the guy to the left, or the sandwhich line which isn’t visible?

Anyone else have comments on the included photos?

I mean I do hope it is legit.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by k_ » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 9:01 PM UTC

evolve2k wrote: post #326

k_ wrote: post #249

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Seems like we're looking for similar things. I am currently waiting for delivery of my Astro Slide [0] [0]: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/astro-slide-5g-transforme... which has android / linux dual boot. Not sure if performance are what you are looking for.

Are you sure that thing is legit? As a designer, I’m looking over the pics and my gut feel is that something is off. Look at the picture of the girl taking the selfie, where’s the hinges like the guy to the left, or the sandwhich line which isn’t visible? Anyone else have comments on the included photos? I mean I do hope it is legit.

I do hope too, and it seems so to me. At least the product seems real, they're sending updates on the board etc. they're building. And their previous products are real ones, with users right here on this thread.

Also, the overall design changed a bit since those pictures were made. They had some issue with the processor not being available anymore iirc, and they made some changes. Changes including a significantly smaller battery, and we all complained about it so they went back to the original battery _but_ with a thicker phone.

I still have some doubts. I have a blackberry keyone that I loved but that is half broken since a bike accident so I have to replace it. And a linux phone (with multi boot to android in case linux isn't up to the task for a phone, which I doubt a little) seemed like a good replacement. But portrait keyboard, and blackberry's keyboard quality might be a lot better than this solution.. I wish they didn't stop making blackberry (on android) phones after keytwo =/

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by goodusername » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 9:31 PM UTC

throwaway744678 wrote: post #157

Yizahi wrote: post #151

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I have yet to see an even half working autocorrect on phone (even in English). I'm using Samsung S10P and when typing autocorrect can't correct even a simple 1 character typos (e.g. "cha4acter" or "5ypo"). Also trying to put a cursor in the desired place happens usually only after several tries.

For the cursor part, most keyboard allow precise cursor movements by swiping the space bar.

Wow,i never realized you could do that, such a game changer! Thanks for the tip.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by DreamFlasher » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 9:38 PM UTC

takeda wrote: post #280

I placed an order for their previous model, they assured me that I should get it 4 - 8 weeks. After I didn't get anything for 6 months I messaged them that I want to withdraw my order (the phone had already old hardware during release, and it was a year old when I ordered it, but at the same time it cost as much as a high end phone). I got no response from them. I then contacted my credit card company and they charge…

They overpromised and communicated horribly. But clearly not scam, I'm typing this with my pro1. And in the forum there were a bunch of people requesting a refund and reporting that they received them quickly.

Re: Pro1 X: A Linux smartphone with slideout keyboard

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Post by b112 » Thu, Apr 01, 2021, 9:40 PM UTC

29083011397778 wrote: post #254

b112 wrote: post #76

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Yes, plus not losing 1/2 the screen to an on-screen keyboard. Was almost pure android, incredibly secure. Blackberry got it right, then bailed.

My KeyOne is actually better due to losing half the screen - I remember trying to open a webpage and a notes app and type in some notes from the page. My Oneplus 3, whenever I pulled up the keyboard, would shift everything up, making it impossible to see what I had focused on. My KeyOne never shifted the view though, because the keyboard was already there. Even better is the effect this has on battery life. The scree…

My comment was about how on-screen, software keyboards eat 1/2 the active screen.

The Priv had a slide out hardware keyboard, the optimal solution IMO. Full size screen on the device, hardware keyboard too.

I know what you mean, but the keyone didn't lose 1/2 its screen, to lose something, you have to have it first. If it lost 1/2 its screen, it would end up with 1/4 of phone's length with usable screen.

Agree with all you said about software keyboards.