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Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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And I just realized what it is about LuLzSec that's bothered me. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but now I realize deep down they are nihilists. That's a damn shame. What seemed most admirable about Anonymous is that as much as they were also in it for lulz and pure chaos, underneath there seemed to be a kind of idealism. Idealism is seductive, nihilism is off-putting.

invokes Ayn Rand!

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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>People who can make things work better within this rectangle have power over others; the whitehats who charge $10,000 for something we could teach you how to do over the course of a weekend, providing you aren't mentally disabled. This is a common complaint among blackhats: they see whitehats as being in the game for the money and taking advantage of the unenlightened as much as they [the blackhats] themselves do. I…

Blackhats can cost organizations way more than whitehats would charge in operating costs, personal identity theft, and reputation. Whitehats are only taking advantage of the unenlightened as much as a mechanic is taking advantage of someone who doesn't know anything about cars - they provide experience and expertise and offer a service for a high price - at least, a higher price than if the client knew how to fix it…

Sure, but what blackhats often claim is that even if a company pays whitehats large sums of money, it is often fairly easy for the blackhats to do just as much damage as they could before.

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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Blackhats can cost organizations way more than whitehats would charge in operating costs, personal identity theft, and reputation. Whitehats are only taking advantage of the unenlightened as much as a mechanic is taking advantage of someone who doesn't know anything about cars - they provide experience and expertise and offer a service for a high price - at least, a higher price than if the client knew how to fix it…

I love it when the economically illiterate attack others for "price gouging" as if the third party doesn't have a choice in the matter or they aren't "unenlightened" enough to properly appraise the value of what they are buying. How do I know that my jeweler isn't gouging me on my fiancee's 2 caret diamond ring? Because I know that there's a fixed quantity of available diamonds, and almost everyone would buy them at…

Funny that you use diamonds as an example, when the diamond market is one of the most rigged institutions on the planet.

Your jeweler is always gouging you when you buy diamonds.

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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How do we enforce that these companies (such as banks) utilize proper security protocol (within reason of course)? Some would say, "With your wallet!". But what happens when it's your wallet that gets stolen (electronically)? What do you think?

Unfortunately, I've never seen "vote with your wallet" concept work[1], neither in the Internet, nor in real life. When a company misbehaves, there's usually a big group of their customers which doesn't know about it, and another (maybe little smaller) group, that doesn't care at all (or enough[2]). It's an interesting issue I have no idea how to fix... [1] - if you know any examples, I'd be glad to hear them. [2] -…

In real life: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinvestment_from_South_Africa

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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> to take great joy in causing others pain This happens far more often than people realise.

Still does not make it okay.

What if you're a second-generation schaudenfreudist? I take pleasure in the pain of those that take pleasure in the pain of others.

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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There is a need to develop systems that aren't subject to DDOS (at least the current generation). It used to be very easy to DOS anyone's network stack (think SYN flooding). If people hadn't shown that it was an issue by doing it, the Internet would still be running on stacks that were trivial to undermine many different ways. Saying that something is easy to do and has a tremendous impact is an engineering problem s…

> There is a need to develop systems that aren't subject to DDOS Some protocols are immune to DDOS: like BitTorrent and Freenet. HTTP wasn't designed to deal with DDOS.

When I tried freenet it was so slow that it would compare unfavorably to a website being DDOSed, so that's perhaps a bad example. As far as bittorrent goes, it is entirely possible to DDOS the distribution of the contents of a single .torrent: DDOS every computer seeding it. Might take more effort than DDOSing a commercial site, or it might not, depending on how much downstream the seeds have.

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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From what I've been reading the attacks were not sophisticated, mainly using SQL injection. Many here on HN understand that kind of threat but it seems lots of companies and important services don't. Is it possible that the attention shone on these simple/trivial hacks will cause those less security conscious admins to get rid of that low hanging fruit?

If so, it should help reduce the impact of a broad, simultaneous attack across many sites from much more dangerous foes. I am not saying it is right, but it may be more effective than the legislation our congress comes up with to protect us, with fewer nasty side effects.

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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I love it when the economically illiterate attack others for "price gouging" as if the third party doesn't have a choice in the matter or they aren't "unenlightened" enough to properly appraise the value of what they are buying. How do I know that my jeweler isn't gouging me on my fiancee's 2 caret diamond ring? Because I know that there's a fixed quantity of available diamonds, and almost everyone would buy them at…

Funny that you use diamonds as an example, when the diamond market is one of the most rigged institutions on the planet. Your jeweler is always gouging you when you buy diamonds.

It's less the jeweler and more his suppliers.

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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Preying on the weak for fun Preying on the weak for profit They both kind of have a sociopath sound to them

But, only one of them is the foundation of our society.

I'm not sure which one you think it is, but I sure hope it's the one that does it for fun.

A society driven by preying on the weak for profit is far more distressing.

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