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LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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And I just realized what it is about LuLzSec that's bothered me. I couldn't quite put my finger on it, but now I realize deep down they are nihilists.

That's a damn shame.

What seemed most admirable about Anonymous is that as much as they were also in it for lulz and pure chaos, underneath there seemed to be a kind of idealism. Idealism is seductive, nihilism is off-putting.

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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They seem somewhat clueless.. If the NSA can partner with ISPs to scan internet traffic for phishing, viruses, etc ...the obvious next step is Lulzsec mentions or member mentions...in IRC, email, etc.. There is no such thing as hiding when attacking the internet, sooner or later you become the bitch

Call me crazy, but I'd rather have LulzSec stealing passwords on crappy secured services than a NSA agent scanning my whole life. That would be the single worst outcome.

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think everything else said in the post proves they are sociopaths. They don't seem to place value in "peons", "lulz lizards", or really any kind of human beings.

It's always been posited that, at some point, the Internet would create a generation of pseudo-sociopaths who are so disconnected from fellow human beings, they lack empathy, much the same as someone with the clinical diagnosis. Mayhap that time has arrived.

Just like with violent video games, the internet doesn't make people feel disconnected, or turn them into sociopaths.

It enables people who would rather be disconnected to disconnect themselves, and gives sociopaths the ability to do far more.

The internet doesn't create people without empathy, it reveals that deep down, a lot of humanity didn't have it to begin with. The way society is starting to structure itself, though, lets that shine through more clearly.

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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This smells to me like a hastily conjured rationalization for a series of attention-seeking acts wrought by a small group of disenfranchised industry workers who have something to say, but they're just not articulate enough to voice it so they blow shit up instead.

For a moment I'd taught I was the only one to notice. If we would ignore them, they would just fade away.

Re: LulzSec: Why we do what we do

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

DDoS's have a monetary impact, yes. However, what the parent is saying is that all infrastructure has limits in terms of bandwidth, etc. The point is that it's not the same class of "attack" vs. finding an exploit. The latter is more in line with the "strive for more secure sites". The former, not so much.

Then we need to fix the infrastructure so that the current generation of attacks don't work. To just say, "oh, well bandwidth is limited so there's always going to be an attack" is not useful. Think of ways you can structure the infrastructure so that it can do filtering further out, or detected spoofed connections, or detect anomalous request patterns. There are solutions, we need to find them and implement them, no…

mentat, I wasn't saying don't protect ourselves against this. However, harnessing a big enough bot network you can always overcome these measures. Finding an exploit is different, and especially for financial institutions inexcusable to a certain level.
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